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Old 11-17-2004, 04:30 AM   #1
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Woodworking Shop-A Diversion

Well, i went and did it now, I leveled the last third of the basement and now Niki wants a small woodworking shop in the finished area.(it wasnt bad enough she lost a finger tip this spring,now we need more tools with sharp spinning blades.

Actually, we could use a little shop space for various tasks and i could spend a little time educating her on proper safety around dangerous power tools.First thing of course is to get a new tablesaw though.(I wont let her touch my companies portable which has every safety feature ripped off of it for conveniance).Also a portable Planer and new mitre saw

I'm thinking a Contractors saw for the shop rather than a portable.A cabinet saw's a bit much for my needs and way overkill for anything she would ever do(besides, i wouldnt relish bringing a 500 lb cabinet saw down my basement steps).
In the running at this point for table saws are the following:
Shopfox 2 HP 220V w shopfox fence
Grizzly G044Z......2 HP 220v w Shopfox fence
Delta .............1 1/2 HP 110/220 v w Biesemeyer fence
Ridgid's largest from HD 110v w true loc fence& herculift system
( I'm not really too sure about the Rigid but please chime in if you have any experiance with the tablesaws)

As a side note, why are left tilt saws so much more expensive??

For Planers:
Ridgid 13" portable planer
Grizzly 12.5" portable
Dewalts 13" 2 speed portable
Delta's 12.5" portable
(I am leaning towards the Ridgid,it had excellant reviews i understand)

For mitre saws:
Dewalt 12" dual bevel
Makita 8.5 " slide compound
(i am really open to suggestions here)

Any suggestions advice or experiance with any of the above pro or con will be taken into consideration.
I'm also open to suggestions regarding Dust collection systems for this small shop.I would likely use a gate system and only 1 tool operating at a time.Longest run would likely be under 30' with 2 90's or 4 45 degree elbows.
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:14 AM   #2
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Todd, I would stick with the Delta. I have the 12.5 planer. As far as the chop saw goes you might want the 10" makita slide I have that also. For the table saw, I have the biggest one Craftsman makes. That saw will cut anything. BTW, the planer I've had for about 3 years now brand new still in the box. Couldn't pass up the price. I know I'lll use it some day..
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Old 11-17-2004, 07:23 AM   #3
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Dang, ive got to add a tablesaw.
Canadian Made General Contractors saw.2 hp left tilt 115/230V and around 650 bucks with 30"Rip 700.00 with extended(52") rails.
Fine woodworking and taunton press rated the best contractor saws which might explain why they are not even available at present.
Can you say Backorder??
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Old 11-17-2004, 08:52 AM   #4
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Todd : For planers make sure you get one with a cutter head lock. If not the small planners that you listed will give you allot of snipe.
For the mitre saw I would stay away from any of the 12" saws unless you need the cutting capacity on a regular basis. The 12" blades have too much deflection to produce a really accurate cut. I got the slider from Hitachi about a year and a half ago and I would recommend it highly.
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Old 11-17-2004, 01:10 PM   #5
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Ace hardware two days back had a sweet looking bunch of metabo kit, reasonable prices too given the premium Ace normally adds. Now tell me they are toys
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Old 11-17-2004, 01:30 PM   #6
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Mitre Saw

Not sure of your budget but the Bosch 4410 Dual-bevel sliding compound mitre is definitely worth your consideration. I have yet to use this model but was very impressed with its predecessor and have heard nothing but rave reviews on the 4410 --- not only all the bells and whistles, but actually dead-on accurate.

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Old 11-17-2004, 03:46 PM   #7
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I just bought a used delta contractors. Would rather have left tilt, but that means new. I think they're more expensive because it's a new thing.

I've got the 12.5" Delta planer and have no complaints at all. Well, maybe one; there is no turret stop for repeatable depth, but I don't do anything production so I don't mind using calipers to tell me when to stop.

10" delta miter saw, no complaints. I've used a friends 12" dewalt and it's very nice.

I've got a penn state 1.5 hp dust collector with manual blast gates. Workes awesome for 1 tool at a time. I made a garbage can cyclonic seperator for it to catch the big stuff before it goes through the fan. That's nice, it's easier to empty the can than the bags, plus you don't have to hear the chunks go through the fan blades.
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Old 11-17-2004, 04:47 PM   #8
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Ive read a bit on the cyclonic seperator Dave.Do you remember where you got the plans for it?
When i get closer to that point,me and you, we gotta talk

Thanks everyone for sharing your observations and experiances.This kinda stuff is So confusing.
It would be so simple if Felker just made all these woodworking tools
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Old 11-17-2004, 05:24 PM   #9
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Quote:
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It would be so simple if Felker just made all these woodworking tools
Dewalt tools are yellow too.
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:04 PM   #10
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Dewalt 12 " dual bevel. No contest. (DW706).
Ridgid table saws, never used one but read a lot of negative reviews, only 1 guy I actually talked to liked his, but he hadn't had it long. I'm gonna go with MuskyMike again on the Craftsman table saw.
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:17 PM   #11
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Craftsman Table saws are Now Jobbed out to Ryobi just in case ya'll didnt know that.
I own a Ryobi circular saw and I'm not overly excited about it.nothing wrong with it its just that its well, a Ryobi

The reviews i read on the Rigid put it as being a built to light where it counts.Damn pretty saw though

Hey, i got an Idea!!!

ANDY,I Need a table saw for wood!!! If you build it,they will come
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:27 PM   #12
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Hitachi's are Purty

Linear ball bearing slide system for superior accuracy

11 positive stops on miter index - left and right

4 positive stops on bevel gauge

Dynamic electric brake stops blade movement

No-load speed of 4900 RPM

Boasts a 9.5 AMP motor

Weighs only 38.6 lbs.

Includes:

24 Tooth Carbide Tipped Saw Blade (998840),

Vise Assembly (307559),

Slide Fence (310657),

Box Wrench (940543),

Dust Bag (998845)




Availability: Usually ships the same business day.

HITPOW C8FB2Suggested Industry price: $829.29 Sale price: $430.80
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:32 PM   #13
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Now this I Like!!!!!
Bosch 4410 Dual Bevel 10" sliding mitre saw
Features:

Microfine miter adjustment knob - For fine adjustment of key (detent) miter angles by up to 2deg, left or right

Upfront bevel lock lever and range selector knob - Easily-accessed controls for quick and accurate bevel settings

Multi-positioned main handle - Easily locks into any of four positions for optimum comfort and control

15 Amp motor, 4,800 RPM

Large 21" Aluminum base with sliding extensions for 37- 1/4" total length - Provides extended grip areas and extra support for longer materials

Easily readable bevel and miter scales - For easy setting of accurate bevel and miter angles

Tall 4-1/2" Speed-track sliding fences - For easy bevel set-ups and increased crown molding cutting capacities

Exclusive wedge-and-slot miter detent system - Consistent and precise miter angles over the life of the tool

Crown miter detents - 31.6deg miter and 33.9deg bevel detents for quick, accurate crown cuts

Miter detent override - Holds miter detent lever away from table for free rotation or engagement of Microfine Miter

Adjustment feature

Includes:

(1) Premium 72-Tooth Thin-Kerf Carbide-Tipped Blade -- Included

(1) Wrench Set -- Included

(1) Tool-Free Verticle Work Clamp --MS1226

(1) Dust Bag -- MS1225

Specifications:

Amperage 15

Voltage 120V

No Load RPM 4,800

Max. Motor HP 3.0

Blade Diameter 10"

Arbor Size 5/8"

Length 37-1/4"

Height 19"

Weight (lbs.) 55

Bevel Angle Range 47 deg left and 46 deg right

Crown Molding - Laying Flat 31.6 deg stops up to 10-1/4"

Positive Miter Detent Stop 10

Availability: Usually ships the same business day.

RBPOWT 4410Suggested Industry price: $1,022.00Sale price: $559.95
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Old 11-17-2004, 06:34 PM   #14
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Todd : that almost the exact saw that I got (mine is the 10 inch). You will be very happy with it.
Here's a link to what the pros have to say about miter saws.

http://www.woodweb.com/forum_fdse_files/aw/369462.html
http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...ct_miters.html
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