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Old 12-05-2017, 06:34 PM   #1
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Newbie here, looking for advice

Hi all,

I just registered here and having been a member in other forums, I know it is customary to introduce myself before explaining he situation that brings me here.

I am a retiree with rudimentary skills in most areas of construction. I spent my work life as a beverage route salesman, then later snack food route sales and merchandiser. After leaving that trade, I went into transportation... school bus, tractor-trailer, then the railroad, ending 5 years ago as a locomotive engineer.

For my home rehab and fix-it needs, I relied on my younger son who had attained the level of journeyman carpenter. Sadly, he left us prematurely and Dad is faced with a project having little knowledge or experience.

My sister wanted her tub surround tiled. After getting estimates, we decided to hire my friend's daughter who supposedly had experience. We failed to check her work and relied on her word that she could handle the job.

The start date was delayed a few times and the work did not move along quickly. The friend/contractor worked until a previously scheduled minor surgery. Over the Thanksgiving holiday, we took a close look at the progress of the work done so far. We were appalled. Even to our untrained eyes, we could see the grout spaces were not uniform and the layout completely wrong.

So, in trying to save some money and help a struggling independent contractor out, we are faced with more expense and a huge delay.

I removed all of the applied tiles today. I was quite surprised how easily they came off! Then I started researching what we would have to do to salvage this project.

I learned it is recommended to reinforce all corners where the backer board meets. I can handle that as I have some experience with drywall repair.

But in looking more closely, I can see there was no felt paper or plastic sheeting installed behind the backer board.

And we are wondering whether the thinset will adhere to the layer left behind after removing the approximately 1/3 of the tiles? (The contractor had only installed 5 courses of tile on the long wall and one end wall.)

Are we faced with removing the backer board to make this a quality installation? Or is there a moisture barrier product we can use to seal the backer board before tiling?

I apologize if the answers can be found elsewhere. I'm really feeling a time crunch with the remainder of the holidays looming on the horizon.
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Dave,

Welcome to the forum.

1- Do you have any pictures? Some closer, some further away.

2- Can you add your location to your User CP?

3- Which railroad? Dad worked for Reading through Conrail
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:45 PM   #3
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Welcome, Dave.

You must have either a moisture barrier behind your CBU wallboard or a direct bonded waterproofing membrane over the wallboard. I prefer to see the waterproofing membrane as that stops the shower moisture immediately behind your tile installation.

Without seeing the condition of your CBU installation, 'specially in the area where you removed the previous tile, it's difficult to say whether you need to replace the CBU.

What material (brand name, make and model) was used to attach the previous tiles?

Photos are always helpful. You can attach photos from storage on your computer using the paper-clip icon above the Reply dialog box.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:47 PM   #4
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Thanks H. R. for your quick reply.

1. Yes, just took several, will attach.

2. Will do.

3. I was hired by CSX on former Conrail territor not long after the Conrail split. In the Buffalo Terminal, I was the first post-Conrail hire on our roster.
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:02 PM   #5
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working on photos...coming


I'll take a look to see, but I heard her mention "thinset", something bought at Home Depot. I'll try to narrow it down.
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Welcome Dave and hello neighbor!
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Old 12-05-2017, 07:29 PM   #7
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This job is IN Henrietta!
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Old 12-05-2017, 08:02 PM   #8
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Photos

Whew! Had to resize them, but here they are.
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Can't get much closer. I'm in Irondequoit.

I would be happy to put some eyes on it if you would like. No charge of course, we would bill CX.
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We are open to suggestions. Do you have a moment tomorrow?
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No problem, Craig. I've got some old friends east of y'all in Balston Spa that I've been meaning to visit for thirty or forty years. Could stop by Dave's place and help you inspect, eh?

Dave, you've definitely got some "issues" there.

Can we see a photo or two of where the CBU meets the top of the tub?
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Dave,
Shoot me a PM with a number to reach you. I can give you a call tomorrow. I'm working in Brighton til 3.
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Just got back from seeing Dave and his tub surround.
It's not a complete tear out but it would have been if he didn't stop the process.
Just as he suspected there was no waterproofing.
Hardibacker was on the walls, adhered well with the proper screws so no problems there.
No mesh tape or thinset so he's at HD getting thinset and the proper mesh tape. He's done drywall before so he's familiar with taping, mudding, skim coating and feathering.
He will need to stone down the thinset residue from the tiles that he removed.
Once the taping, mudding and skim coating of the walls are complete, it will be time to waterproof. I will be donating 3gal of Laticrete 9235 I had left over from a job last week. Might as well go with the good stuff! Told him how to apply it and proper thickness and why it's important.

Dave's on the right track! I told him to post his progress and or any questions. We like to see happy endings in these situations.
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