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Old 10-18-2017, 09:43 PM   #46
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Did they use one of the tub replacement pans that has the drain offset, or did they cut down a larger pan that has the drain in the center?
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Old 10-20-2017, 09:49 AM   #47
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What are the low temps in the winter there? I've done one of those here in Arkansas for a friend, but I didn't like it. Faced to the north too, which made me worry more. But he never complained.

If you have mild temps there it may not be a problem at all. No niche that I'm familiar with is going to have any significant R-value, so one will likely be as good as another.

If they're planning to use a Kerdi foam tray, the drain has to be replaced, and the floor has to be flat and level. Not that they couldn't accomplish that over the top of what they already have there, but it looks like the floor is already an inch or two off the slab, so the tray will be even higher. If that's not a problem for you, they can put leveling compound over the existing floor.
Lows are generally in the 40s, with only a handful or less freezes.

The contractor is coming out to finish tearing out the pan. I'm not sure which preformed pan they plan to use.

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Old 10-21-2017, 11:51 AM   #48
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With a 2x4 exterior wall there's really no room to add insulation. The only real option that you have is to put in a foam niche which has an r-value of about 2 or so. It's not much. If you can relocate the niche that would be the best option.

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Old 10-25-2017, 07:33 AM   #49
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They used a shower-st tray. Installation has begun.
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:35 AM   #50
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Looks like a lot of thinset or something on top of the drain flange.

Make sure they clean it off well enough (while leaving the fleece intact) to overlap and bond the Kerdi membrane properly and get a watertight connection.
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Old 10-25-2017, 09:10 AM   #51
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Is the gray PVC drain glued to black plastic pipe (ABS)? If so, that's a no-no.
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:20 AM   #52
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Lou's right, Ken, except that it's too late now to clean that drain flange. A new drain is in order.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:23 PM   #53
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Thanks, the cutout was an 8x8 opening for the drain. The drain was installed. Kerdi tray was cut around the outside of the drain and the space below was filled with thinset.
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:05 PM   #54
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My big concern is that the slid the new backer under the decrepit rusting corner bead and thinset and kerdied right over the rust
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Old 10-25-2017, 04:40 PM   #55
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They definitely ruined that drain...
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Old 10-25-2017, 05:32 PM   #56
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Ken - when you say "space below was filled with thinset" are you referring to under the drain flange?

I don't recall exactly but the tray probably has the drain sitting 3/4" - 1" above the floor. And that's way too tall to fill in with thinset.

Moot point anyways since the drain doesn't look usable, but keep it in mind.
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Ken, the fleece on drain flange should have been sponged free of thinset so Kerdi has something to bond too. It's toast. Mortar will bond to mortar, but the waterproof-ness is mitigated in this case.
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Ken - when you say "space below was filled with thinset" are you referring to under the drain flange?

I don't recall exactly but the tray probably has the drain sitting 3/4" - 1" above the floor. And that's way too tall to fill in with thinset.

Moot point anyways since the drain doesn't look usable, but keep it in mind.
This was how the old drain looked before it was replaced with the schluter pan and drain. That large square opening was filled with thinset....

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Kerdi gets it water tightness by having the fleece or surface of their bonding material (as used on their drain and KerdiBoard)l, in close, intimate contact with thinset filling the small voids. That won't happen if there's a huge amount of thinset on top of it already.
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If they say it will be fine then tell them you want a 24 hour flood test done on the pan. Monitor it yourself.
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