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Old 09-25-2017, 02:32 PM   #16
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Water will seep through sealed grout, too. The guy doesn't know what he's talking about. As has already been said, the shower should be water tight prior to the tile/grout/caulking being installed. The tile/grout is a decorative/wear layer, not waterproofing.
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Old 09-25-2017, 04:41 PM   #17
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What he meant to say was "we build in problems and don't care".

Such is the state of the majority of home building now. Don't know what he paid the sub, but it's likely 1/2 or less of what it would take to do Kerdi or similar. The real conundrum is that if he did three Kerdi showers in your house, it might raise the selling price $6000-8000 and buyers would wonder what they were getting for their money compared to other similar homes.

From a tract builders standpoint, if you can't see and touch it, it has no value you can sell. Sucks but happens all the time.

It's why I prefer to work in used homes. People can more easily justify and afford to concentrate time and money in a single room as opposed to a whole house. Plus it can solve the "built in problem" for the long term.
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Old 09-25-2017, 07:16 PM   #18
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Some problems with the new house construction is that you can see some problems like poorly done trim or poor drywall work, but a shower's inner construction is completely covered up so you have to just assume they did it correctly. Which of course makes an ass out of somebody. Usually the buyer. Ours was done wrong, we did a floor repair that made it last a bit longer but when we tore it out we could see all the water and mold that had been hiding for years.
Unfortunately, there's really no recourse in states like Florida for bad construction practices.
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Old 09-25-2017, 11:12 PM   #19
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Ken, have you had a chance to look under the shower door frame?

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Ken, have you had a chance to look under the shower door frame?

I have avoided disassembling it as I'm continuing to try to communicate with the builder. It also appears the pan liner does not continue around the curb.

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Old 09-26-2017, 12:12 PM   #21
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If you have a crawl space it might be worth taking a look underneath the shower to see if it's wet.

I can't believe this exists:

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Old 09-26-2017, 03:47 PM   #22
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If you have a crawl space it might be worth taking a look underneath the shower to see if it's wet.

I can't believe this exists:
No crawl space... Shower is ground level on a slab foundation.

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Sherwin Williams came out yesterday to examine the shower. The acknowledged that they've replaced several jobs by this particular installer and have gotten out of the durock and vinyl and gone to a membrane. I pointed out everything I noticed wrong and they agreed that the pan and curb needs to be replaced.

I couldn't find any code requiring a membrane behind the durock in Florida. They also warned me that it would be a two-day job. I feel like the Cure times are a lot longer than that

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Sherwin Williams came out yesterday to examine the shower. The acknowledged that they've replaced several jobs by this particular installer and have gotten out of the durock and vinyl and gone to a membrane. I pointed out everything I noticed wrong and they agreed that the pan and curb needs to be replaced.

I couldn't find any code requiring a membrane behind the durock in Florida. They also warned me that it would be a two-day job. I feel like the Cure times are a lot longer than that

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Also, is tcna the source for how to do a reno pan?

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I'm not aware of anyone that has published guidelines on just replacing a pan. There are bandaid fixes, and then there is the best route which is demo and new install.

Regardless of florida code, at the very least a moisture barrier is required behind untreated CBU in order to properly build a shower or tub surround
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I'm not aware of anyone that has published guidelines on just replacing a pan. There are bandaid fixes, and then there is the best route which is demo and new install.

Regardless of florida code, at the very least a moisture barrier is required behind untreated CBU in order to properly build a shower or tub surround
This is what I saw...TCA 2003-2004

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Well, guess I should do some more reading....I stand corrected
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Confirmed they are removing the bottom row off tile and replacing the pan with a schluter system, not sure how that will work without tearing the walls out.

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Hmm, so do you have CBU with a moisture barrier right now on the walls?
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How are they going to address the lack of moisture barrier over the great majority of the shower? And how are they going to tie the two together? Those are the questions I'd be asking.
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