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Old 05-30-2017, 11:22 AM   #1
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JPinkerton's Bath Remodel

We purchased our house in late 2015 and late last year we started ripping out the main bathroom (1 of 4 toilets in the house). I knew nothing of tile but my dad did and so he brought his wet saw and expertise to the project.

Fast forward and after the niche was done my wife started voicing some quality concerns in regards to his work. We got busy with our business and we put a pause on the bathroom remodel to figure it out.

For Christmas I bought myself a new tile saw and was doing some reading here. We're nearing a point where I can get away from the business and work on the bathroom again. Now here's the question:

My dad had me get GP DensShield. We didn't put any waterproofing up. He had me return the joint tape I had purchased because he said we didn't need it.

Now I'm afraid I should rip everything out back down to the studs and start over.

I know the DensShield has features that protect against water but is it enough?
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Welcome, John.

Is this a tub/shower or a walk-in shower?

DensShield is suitable for shower walls if joints and fastener penetrations are properly treated, but I've not seen a useful method of dealing with the bottom of the panels in a walk-in shower installation.

Difficult to comment further on the construction without more detail. The niche would be of particular concern if the installer didn't pay any attention to waterproofing.

As for the aesthetic considerations, that's entirely up to you and Mrs. John.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Not a walk in shower. But I know (because I was there) nothing over fasteners or joints.
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Old 05-30-2017, 12:23 PM   #4
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Its hard for any of us to determine how long it will last. Bottom line is your surround wasnt built correctly. The craftsmanship isn't great either...but I'm guessing the labor wasn't very expensive if it was done by family. It's up to you, but at some point water will make its way to your framing and other areas behind the wall.
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Not opposed to a full demo and redo if that's the best option when it comes to mold prevention. Not excited about it either.
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Also assuming then I should rip out the floor? Since it would've been installed in same manner as the walls...
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So, no tape on the seams on the floor? What type of backer was used on the floor?
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No tape on the seams, DensShield was put down.
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If it were me, I'd start over. Was thinset spread under the densshield? There is a slight chance an install could survive over untaped joints but if there's no thinset under the panels then I would start over. You could let it go and see how long it lasts or you can tear it out and do it correctly now.
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Guess I'll start ripping out everything then. Back down to the studs it is. Sucks, but I'd rather nuke it and start fresh I guess.

Hammer and chisel to get it started on the floor? Since it had grout done...

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If there's no thinset under the densshield, you should be able to get it up fairly easy by getting under the backer and prying it up.
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Would you also suggest removing the tile from the walls that wouldn't be in the shower? For instance behind the vanity and toilet. Or should they be removed to be properly sealed just because of moisture build up during showers?
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If its not in the wet area, or outside of where the shower door or curtain will be then the wall doesn't need to be waterproofed. Its up to you whether or not you want to remove the tile in the dry area, presumably because the joints weren't taped. If it were mine I would probably leave as much as I could outside of the wet area and hope for the best.
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If its not in the wet area, or outside of where the shower door or curtain will be then the wall doesn't need to be waterproofed. Its up to you whether or not you want to remove the tile in the dry area, presumably because the joints weren't taped. If it were mine I would probably leave as much as I could outside of the wet area and hope for the best.


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No worries, I'll help where I can and if I don't know someone else will chime in.
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