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Old 10-31-2012, 09:50 AM   #1
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ATR, a "new" tile leveling system

I came across this leveling system recently.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agNBDGM_Lfs Has anyone ever seen it or tried it? It looks like it is the tile spacer as well.
There was a follow-up video where they slid a piece of tile across this polished tile to prove that there was no lippage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPzJSFSJc8A That was pretty impressive. I think I will order some from https://www.flooringsupplyshop.com/s...&dto=&x=24&y=7 and come back with a review.
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I'll pass on this one because;

1- "6" easy steps are 5 steps too many, its very labor intensive to set up the pieces ready for install

2- There are corner only and center of tile only pieces

3- Screw gun batteries die

4- 25 each for the base part which is 2.5 times LASH and 4 times LASH

5- the upper part (spindles) are 50 each which is 5 times LASH but only 1/2 as much as TLS, plus the LASH wedges last forever.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:04 AM   #3
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I've never used any of the leveling systems, but have always been curious. I just got back from Total Solutions and with the advent of these thin large panel types of porcelains that are hitting the market these systems are going to be mandatory. The tile manufactures are specifying there use in the installs and there were quite a few systems on the table tops. I like that you can just use a regular drill with this one.
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Old 10-31-2012, 11:04 AM   #4
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Do you use a leveling system? Would you slide a tile across one of your jobs to prove it is working as intended? PLEASE, understand me, I'm NOT trying to be disrespectful. I honestly haven't used many leveling systems and am exploring pros and cons of most before I make a decision. Cost should not be what drives our choice, the final tile installation quality should be.I'm sure each system has it's pros and cons and the final choice is up to us as individuals.
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So those screw into the subfloor? Not sure I like that. What about concrete?

I see potential for overtightening until one got used to it.
Also a few times in the past I have used a screw as a spacer (on walls) and found that backing the screw out chipped the tile if it were touching the edge.

I'm pretty happy with the TLS. But the price really limits its use. I can see charging more for the caps and the tool, but the price of the straps really needs to come down.
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:15 PM   #6
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That is what I thought first also. No, it looks like they screw into the base just to hold the fastener and then the top piece screws down onto the tile to do the
"leveling" Watch the video again - that install IS on concrete
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Old 10-31-2012, 02:58 PM   #7
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Don,t use em. In my mind if your raising a tile to meet another then it's gonna need more thinset under there. And if you are lowering it you will need to remove some thinset. Or you will have either grout joints full of thinset or deffinate voids in your install. Not good for coverage. Curious? Have any of you guys that use these products come back to a cracked tile due to thinset shrinkage and the tension of system to raise edges of tile to even plane. Lets be honest these systems don't LEVEL anything.
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Old 10-31-2012, 03:21 PM   #8
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Hi Robo,
I would guess most "old school" installers just set and go without using any of these systems.Your thought that these "levelers" push down or pull up the tile to the degree that you are compromising the thin set support I think is not an issue. They are designed to "TRY" to prevent lippage from one tile to another.
The second video from my first post that showed the tile being slid across that polished tile was impressive. It sure wouldn't of taken much lippage to make that tile jump and I was smooth. I would like to see if any of the other leveling system would post a video showing the same thing. NOT saying that they couldn't, just wondering if they would in support of their product.
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I wouldn't use this system for sure. looks cumbersome like Paul said.
I would rather use the TLS and assemble straps and caps faster and easier.

most of us can set tile flat, these tools just make it easier and expedite the installation.

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Would you slide a tile across one of your jobs to prove it is working as intended?
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Don,t use em. In my mind if your raising a tile to meet another then it's gonna need more thinset under there. And if you are lowering it you will need to remove some thinset. Or you will have either grout joints full of thinset or deffinate voids in your install. Not good for coverage. Curious?
obviously you haven't talked to someone who knows how they work.

try calling someone at TLS and run what you said above to them.
it's already been worked out and does none of what you mention above.
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I would like to see if any of the other leveling system would post a video showing the same thing. NOT saying that they couldn't, just wondering if they would in support of their product.
I dont what you've been doing up there in Chicago.
a few of the leveling systems show this in their videos.

watch this video from about 2:35 and you'll see an example.

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don't look like hes gonna get full coverage with his thin set.
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I have use a ton of LASH, TLS, and did a recent job with the Tornado system.
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I dont use a leveling system and I would slide a tile across any of my jobs. Not one that was specifically designed for a test. It is fact that one of the two tiles has to raise or lower to match the adjadcent tile. "Your thought that these "levelers" push down or pull up the tile to the degree that you are compromising the thin set support I think is not an issue." Thats similar to what the shower door guys said about drilling into shower curbs and filling holes with silicone. Are you an installer? Or just a salesman?
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Well,if you're talking about Brian then maybe you should look at the Work In Progress thread.Not only does he do topnotch work,but has posted more pics of his work than maybe anyone on this forum.

TLS works.Period.Sometimes its just that little 16th that needs adjusting.I did 12 X 24 today,no TLS.Can I make it flat without?Yeh.But it wouldve made for hell of an easier install.I wish I wouldve had some straps...
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One good thing these systems are good for ; bending large tiles into shape. We just did a job with 13x39" tiles that were as wavy as taco chips.
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