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Old 04-20-2017, 07:30 PM   #1
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Looking for insured & licensed pro epoxy tiler in Baltimore, MD

I have a quote for $2300 to tile a hall bath surround and floor including a durock install. I have to buy tile and grout but setting material is included. It's with a handiman service (I don't know if I am allowed to say who). The reviews for them online seem a bit iffy but they are licensed and insured and have an a+ bbb rating. However, I will not have an english speaking project manager on site if things seem amiss.

The only other guy who will do epoxy in my area is uninsured and unlicensed and wanted to charge around 3k fir the same job.

I have a 69 sq ft tub surround and want a niche that spans the long wall which is 5 ft. I also would like a herringbone pattern on the floor but am not married to it. The floor is about 33 sq ft. I am using rectified porcelain. Not sure about size of tile yet. Would love the 12x24 stacked but old house prolly have wall issues and 32 inch short wall would look weird with one full giant tile and partial tile. Was thinking 6x12 running bond with 1/16 might be a better bet. Advice appreciated!

Any suggestions? I don't want to break the bank since I only plan on living here a few more years but also don't want a crap job.

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Welcome Chrissy,
I can't speak to your market specifically, I'm south of you a few states. That said, the price seems low, I'd be good bit higher and I would be very surprised if my cost of living wasn't lower.
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Old 04-21-2017, 01:55 PM   #3
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What Nate said.
Neither quote mentioned waterproofing?that's the insurance you should be worried about.
Not saying a handyman can't do tile, I'm sure there are some that can, I just havnet seen one yet.
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:55 PM   #4
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Waterproofing..

The company is handyman on call. They do everything from handyman work to renovations. They mentioned durock installation on the quote. They also confirmed they would warrenty against leaks for one year so....wouldn't waterproofing be a given? I just sent them an email asking them to confirm this is part of the quote.
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Waterproofing is NOT a given. A minority of dedicated "tile guys" install waterproofing. Most think cement board is waterproof and nothing additional is needed. And almost no "jack of all trades" install waterproofing.

Not always...but most jobs, even inferior ones, can last more than a year before leaking is apparent.

Bottom line: you need to make sure to research what each installer has on their written proposal. If it's not written, don't count on anything. But this forum has a dedicated group of folks highly trained and skilled in this trade who are willing to share info with you. You can ask us as many questions as you like. Show us the proposals and we'll comment on anything you like.

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Old 04-21-2017, 10:43 PM   #6
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I'm about 2 hours east, too far from me but I'll send a message to some guys I know in your area. Any competent installer should be fine using epoxy grout. If someone says they can't or won't install it, you don't want them to install your tile then either.
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Old 04-22-2017, 05:45 AM   #7
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JTile.....thank you

I agree COMPLETELY. That is what I keep trying to tell my husband and these other competitors. Even if the grout didn't matter, which it does, if you are less skilled and just want to do a rush job, why the hell would I want to hire you???

Thank you for your offer. I would LOVE some suggestions.
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Old 04-22-2017, 12:46 PM   #8
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Estimate attached...

They also just sent me an email regarding my inquiry into whether this includes waterproofing saying, "yes tile will be waterproof."
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Ask them what products/methods will be used for waterproofing.
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"Tile will be waterproofed".....
That right there would make me look for someone​ else.
Play along though Chrissy. Like Justin said, ask them to cite what type of waterproofing they will be using that the TCNA approves of.

Note- sealing grout, using cement board and thinset is not a waterproofing method.
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Old 04-25-2017, 03:52 PM   #11
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Homeowner will supply glue?
"Do not work directly with workers. Always call the office for additional work." Sounds like they are sub-contracting it out.

Run, don't walk away from this
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Old 04-25-2017, 08:47 PM   #12
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Smile Response re: waterproofing....

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Also....it says h.o.c will supply glue....that is them: handyman on call.

Either way, looking into some guys referred by my local high end tile shop. One at least does both commercial and residential. Wilł post when I get their proposals.....if y'all don't mind.

Thanks for protecting me from the big bad wolves.
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Chrissy,

This is an easy one; there are zero sealers that make a tile waterproof. None, zip, zilch. No manufacturer makes that claim.

The tile installer should know that.

He doesn't

Find a new installer who doesn't need a flashlight to find his.... :
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Old 04-25-2017, 11:08 PM   #14
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Chrissy,

I just wanted to pile onto the others' warning(s). Waterproofing is part of the prep work that occurs to the area being tiled before a single tile is ever installed. Meaning that a properly waterproofed bath enclosure could theoretically be used without any tile on the walls and would suffer no ill effects.

Sealers are meant as a way to keep stains from penetrating. Sealers have a horribly misleading name. Even the salespeople that sell sealers don't understand them. Sealers really aught to be called something like "temporary stain blockers". Sealers have zero to do with actual proper waterproofing. And anyone who doesn't know the difference very likely doesn't know other things that they don't know. Meaning, they were not more properly trained. This is nothing against them. There are lots of folks who have been working in this industry for years and still don't understand that they are performing a dis-service to their clients. A properly installed bath or shower should last for several decades before it degrades to the point of no longer functioning properly.

By the way, I looked at your proposal. Adding a 3% fee for using a credit card is illegal. You can technically give discounts for certain methods of payment. Buy you are not allowed to increase the price for credit card payments.

Spending more time finding another installer who is understands building science a little better will likely yield you a finer finished product. One that will last longer and adds more true value to your home.

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Old 04-29-2017, 11:14 AM   #15
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Old more detailed proposal. Not licensed or insured.

I am hoping the tiler coming this week is "the one". I will post that proposal when I get it. In the meantime, thought it couldn't hurt to put up an older quote I got from us unlicensed guy who seemed ok otherwise. But then you are the experts😊 Lemme know what you think.
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