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Old 11-15-2002, 11:56 AM   #196
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Yep I'm mudding it, but don't know when I'll tile. Found out yesterday that almond colored v-cap is special order and could take 3 weeks to come in. (haven't ordered it yet, we are going to call around and try to find some.)
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Old 11-15-2002, 04:28 PM   #197
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take my word for it, you should have ordered it.
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Old 11-15-2002, 04:46 PM   #198
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Dave, buck up. You're a mud man. Don't let a little thing like not having v-cap slow you down. It's possible to do a bang up job with a couple of mud caps, too. We do it when v-cap isn't available for the tile we want to use. Takes a little fussin' around, but I like the look. You may not.

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Old 11-15-2002, 05:03 PM   #199
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I say I like it, Laura say she like it. Gotta find out if they got it. Are mud cap generally easier to find? Thanks for the idea John.
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Old 11-15-2002, 05:18 PM   #200
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Yes, mud caps are available for almost every standard 4-1/4 in. or 6 in. wall tile made, and there are hundreds of wall tiles. V-caps are usually only made for a portion of a company's line. Mud caps are identified by the number A-4200.

You wll have to add a little addendum onto your mud job if you want to do this, but that's nothin' for a mud man.
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Old 11-15-2002, 05:32 PM   #201
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OK, I'm hot on the trail of the mud cap. Have to wait until 9 a.m. to call Genesee Tile. What's the addendum? I may be muddin tomorrow.
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Old 11-15-2002, 09:17 PM   #202
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I shoulda known it.

I shoulda known it.

It's great, but I would find myself sitting in the kitchen staring at it. but that's just me... but of course now that I've said it...
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Old 11-16-2002, 08:43 AM   #203
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Yes, the mud cap is a stocked item, so that's the plan. Now for the addendum John? I'm guessing I hafta wrap the lath down the front and get some mud on there?
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Dave,

I may have a picture someplace, but I've got to go out for an appointment right now. I'll look when I return around noon central.

In the meantime, use a 1/2 in. ripping of something on the face of the cabinet right above the drawer fronts and doors. Tack it on so that the nail holes will be covered by the lower piece of bullnose. Wrap the lath over the edge but not quite to the ripping. When you place your fat mud around the edge, you'll run it over onto the face.

You will then have to tack a board over the mud to use as a ground for getting the top edge level.

You can also take the board on first, float the surface, remove the board and tack on the ripping. Then you've got to mess with the edge, being careful not to screw up the top surface.

Either way it takes a little finesse, but again, that's nothing for a mud man.

I'll be back later.
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Old 11-16-2002, 11:51 AM   #205
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John,I asked before and didn't get a reply,but do you use any accelerators for your wall mud?
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Old 11-16-2002, 12:09 PM   #206
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Mike,

I haven't done that for a long time. I'm too slow for fast mud nowadays. I use fast floor thin set sometimes, though. Have you ever tried baking soda?

Dave,

I guess I don't have a pic with the stick still nailed on. You can see small nail holes right under the mud in this picture if you look carefully.

By now you've probably got it done, anyway, right?

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Old 11-16-2002, 12:16 PM   #207
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John,I use calcium aluminate.It really helps in those situations where you're trying to do vertical and horizontal floatcoats like you're describing for the countertop and front edge.Also for a one coat float that you want to tile immediately
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Old 11-16-2002, 01:19 PM   #208
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Nah, I took the opportunity to go order the tile. Should be in Tuesday or Wed. Much better than 3 weeks! I'm headed up to work on it now. I'll snap some pics.
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Mike,

I don't think Dave is any faster than I am. He doesn't need a kicker.

Got a tell ya about the first time I used aluminate. I was doing a shower pan replacement out in L.A. Boss had a barrel of the stuff in the shop. Got me some and headed out. Mixed up a small mud box full of fat mud and chopped in the aluminate. Got about three hawk fulls up before it hit. Everything turned to stone. Had to chop the stuff out of my mud box.

Didn't have enough sand to mix another batch. Had to go back to the shop to get more materials. That's when I found out you were only supposed to sprinkle a little on the mud board.
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Old 11-18-2002, 03:40 PM   #210
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Mudded the countertop on Saturday, using the Customfloat brand all-purpose mud for the edges; and some home-made stuff from TXI concrete and sand. Worked pretty well.

I plan on laying the Laticrete 9235 fabric and liquid against the backsplash, across the top. The intent is to seal the joint where at the drywall backsplash meets the counter.

Anyone think of a good reason not to try to seal this backsplash area? There was not enough thickness available to mud that surface.

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