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Old 08-06-2017, 09:28 AM   #1
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hello people, been a while.... i am not in a condo anymore. sold it and bought an old house.

anyway

i am now planning my bathroom rebuild. my first question = what to put under the shower tiles ?
i did my last show in the condo i sold 6 years ago, i used kirdi. its a very nice product. but, as i was inexperienced with it, i could not get it to lay "flat". as a result, laying the tiles was difficult to get right, lots of fudge factoring. it turned out great. but i DO NOT want to go through that again.

now, my idea was to use REDGARD on cement board. but i really don't know much about it.

so :
1, is this a good idea ?
2, do i need redgard over cement board ?
3, if not, how is it done ?

it is going to be a corner shower with a premade pan. the current bathtub has cheap tiles on the walls. and it is holding up just fine. what is under it, i have no idea. but i would not doubt it is drywall.

thanx for your help, and i will have more questions as i go
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Old 08-06-2017, 10:27 AM   #2
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I'm in the midst of doing a shower for the first time. I'm using Wedi panels for the walls (as well as their preformed base) and it seems about as easy, and foolproof a product as you're going to find. Certainly not the cheapest but for use with a premade pan I don't think anything else would be simpler. Kerdi board is similar.
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Old 08-06-2017, 11:13 AM   #3
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Jess, Redgard over CBU is fine. You can use felt paper behind the CBU instead of Redgard if you want but most here would recommend the Redgard on the face. The Redgard on the front side will actually make tiling easier by slowing down the drying time of the thinset. That will give you more time to set and adjust the tiles.

Depending on how old your house is, some have real plaster walls. So, removing the plaster and going back with CBU could be tricky if the plaster isn't the same thickness as the CBU. That's something to watch for.

Make sure the base is set correctly. They need to be supported from the bottom and the floor under them needs to be level. We have seen a few lately here on the forum that weren't set correctly and didn't drain well. Depending on which one you buy, pulling it up and re-setting it could possibly damage the base. So, it's something you want to do just once.
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:16 PM   #4
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green

thanx. that is a very nice system. but very expensive. cost is an issue here.


Davy
thanx man. i was hoping that is what you would say.

my OLD house. yes, it "did" have P&L and K&T throughout. but that is all gone now, HELL of a job. and i did most of it all by myself.
but, this bathroom was redone by whomever, so all of that is gone. i just have to replace the drywall.

this REDGURD (are there any similar brands/options ?). just how much would be needed for a 3' 1/2 x 3' 1/2 x 7' shower ?

the shower pan. options are open. but i do know about the "setting it" thing.
scares me. so i was looking at a pan that doesn't set like that. it has adjustable feet, its a DELTA iirc. and there is a door & wall that goes with it.

CBU, that is DUROCK type board ?
how are the seams dealt with ?

thanx again.
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Old 08-06-2017, 07:34 PM   #5
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this is the complete unit i am looking at.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Delta-36-...-205846598-_-N
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1 gallon of Redgard should do 42 sq ft of shower walls.

Yes, CBU means cement backer unit.
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Old 08-06-2017, 08:50 PM   #7
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thank you sir

REDGARD and cbu it is.

more easy questions.

how do you/i join the :
cbu seams ?
cbu to drywall seams ?
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Old 08-27-2017, 09:29 PM   #8
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corner show shelving ?

corner shower

just started the bathroom remodel. i am putting in a 3'x3' corner shower with glass wall and door. it is going to be tiled.

other than a niche, what are some storage options ?
i would like to do a few corner shelves. but being a small shower, idk if we will be hitting our elbows off of them ?

i have never used a shower this small.


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Jess, it'll help if you'll keep all the project questions on one thread so folks can see what you're working on and what's been previously asked and answered. We can give it a more generic title any time you'd like to suggest one.

Niches and corner shelves are the only permanent storage options of which I'm aware. I've built seats that turned out to be storage areas, but that seems to result in talk of divorce in some cases.

Corner shelves are certainly easiest, but niches would make more sense where shower size is minimal.

Look in our Alumni Album forum for the Niche section and see if you don't get an idea or two from that.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Old 08-28-2017, 08:57 PM   #10
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ok, will do.

after posting, i figured out that mounting them lower than waistline, they will be out of the way
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Old 08-29-2017, 06:50 PM   #11
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ok, fella's. i was looking at durock. this sstuff is pretty fflimsy and brittle. then i looked at HARDIE BOARD, looked much more solid.

so, i am sure haardie board is fine to use. but, how is it to work with ? does it need redgard ? how to seal the joints ? anything else ?

also, i bought a bag of VERSABOND pro thinset custom. good ?
i am doing 12x25 tiles.

thanx, you guys are AWESOME
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Jess, what kind of pan will you be using?

If you're going to use a traditional PVC pan liner, you'll need to cover the shower floor and up the walls 3 inches above curb height, wrap the curb with the liner, then wrap the curb with wire lath and mud it. The cement board on the walls is recessed into the mud bed to hold it secure at the bottom since you can't drive nails along the bottom. Hardibacker is not a cement board but rather a fiber board and is not recommended to be recessed into the mud bed. Of course you can recess it anyway if you want.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:24 PM   #13
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i am going to use a fiberglass pan.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:31 PM   #14
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btw, i said that the old shower walls were cheap tiles on idk what.
i now know that they were on Denssheild. and there was no problems. BUT, this was on the "dry" side of the bathtub. i have yet to taake down the "wet' side, as we are still using it.
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There's installers here on this forum that use Denshield but I would recommend Durock over Denshield or Hardi.
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