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Old 08-23-2010, 12:19 PM   #31
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How come every time I go to buy a computer I have to pay $100 bucks to have someone take all the factory installed junk off and do who knows what else (format?)? Why can't a computer just come as it should? Is this some kind of scam? Can a novice do this themselves? What about extended warranties? Good deal or bad? Should I buy one at a big box store or on the web like the place Joe posted (Nuegg?). Do I need to buy antivirus or can I get by with the free stuff?
1. Paying $100 bucks to have someone remove the pre-installed junk software. Not a scam in my opinion, because there is time involved removing it. Is $100 bucks excessive? I'm not sure, but if I were to guess how much time is involved, it's 1 hour tops.

2. The junk software installed on new PCs are "PAID ADS". If I'm the computer maker, I'd be silly not to pre-install a free-trial software program, or a few, when there's money to be made.

3. Yes, a novice can uninstall this software themselves. The programs that are hard to uninstall (like Microsoft Internet Explorer used to) gets a lot of bad press in the media and are forced to change their bad marketing habits.

To uninstall simply click "Start" --> "Control Panel" --> "Add/Remove Programs". Select the program you want to remove and then click "Uninstall".

4. Doesn't matter where you get your computer from, deals can be had at the big box stores and the PC specialists. I like to look for what I want, write down the specs, then visit pricewatch.com and shop around for the best bargains.

But over the past 5 years I have become one of those guys that each and every year, stand in line on Thanksgiving Day to be the first in line for the Black Friday Deals! It has become an event that's filled with tent camping, an overnight cookout with the kids, etc. It also helps out when I bring my RV along with because then I'm able to bring the relatives that demand to have an NFL filled Thanksgiving (RV has electric and TV), the girls have a restroom close-by, and everyone else in the frigid crowd up here in WI huddles around to watch the NFL games too. It's an awesome good time!

5. About 5 years ago, no one really needed anti-virus software. The only ones getting viruses were the fools that were up to no good on the Internet. Now, just about anyone can get one so I strongly suggest it.

Who knows, maybe the old rule still applies and it's become a new fact that most of us are up to no good now.

Anyways, the FREE anti-virus software available should work out just fine. AVG is a popular one and Microsoft even has a free anti-virus called Security Essentials.

6. Extended Warranties, are junk. That's the SCAM you're talking about! If you're computer survives the Mfg Warranty, you've successfully burned it in and are good to go until you drop it in water. Be aware that those extended warranties don't cover accidental damage, even when the salesperson tells you it does.

I've been burned by this myself when I bought a TV for my RV, I figured accidental damage... likely... yes I'll opt-in! Found out 6-months later that I had been scammed and insisted on a full refund, they refused, and I had to take it to the level a threatening court letter! Will I shop Best Buy again? Yes, because I love the tradition of Black Friday and I will not let them mess that up. I also like the new tradition of talking very loudly about my previous encounter with their extended warranty plan whenever they pitch it. On Black Friday there's plenty of others in line that need to hear the story.

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Old 02-16-2012, 09:42 AM   #32
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Time for a new computer. Any advice appreciated.

Currently using older emachines with XP. Did a system restore and now everything is fu****. I backed it all up on the computer and on an external hard drive. Can't make stuff work well and maybe just time to get something a little faster.

Don't need a Cadillac. We use the computer for pictures(picassa) music(itunes) occasional word/excel document, and work stuff for me(quickbooks). No gaming or video streaming or anything like that.

Looking at this HP.

Way more powerful than what we have now and I think it would be adequate. Any reason to avoid a HP or a refurbished pc? Anything else out there close in price worth considering?

Also would appreciate any recommendations on software to go along- anti-virus/utility stuff. Bought our last computer at best buy and maybe was a sucker for all the stuff they threw in.

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Old 02-16-2012, 06:10 PM   #33
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Build your own, it is relatively straight forward and easy.

Check www.tigerdirect.com for bundled DIY kits.

Check www.newegg.com for bundled kits and individual components

For Microsoft software get a one year Tech Net subscription, you are allowed most of Microsoft's software via ftp download ....., win7 64 ultimate and office, etc. All for about the cost of one licensed version of win7 or office.

32 vs 64 bit.... go 64 bit since it allows you to run more than 4 gig of ram.

RAM is dirt cheap atm, HDD's are still pricey since the flooding in Thailand. Create an account @ newegg to receive daily e-blast deals, HDD's are often found their at about $100 for a 7200rpm 1tb drive.

Preboxed HP, check Costco for deals.... Costco also extends the warranty for free.

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Old 02-19-2012, 02:13 PM   #34
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There's good and bad with buying HP. For $300 the specs sound pretty good and based on your use more than adequate. My only concern about buying a referb would be the warranty. You'll never know why it was sent back and if it was fixed or not. The bad is it will come with a ton of preloaded crap that you don't want or need.

For virus I use AVG free, because it has a free version. It catches all of the spam viruses that get sent, but it doesn't seem to slow the computer down as much as say Symantec Antivirus. The next trick is to ditch Internet Explorer and use Firefox or Chrome.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:52 PM   #35
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Thanks for the responses. I'm not sure what to do. Been hearing about Ubuntu, might give that a try first. Probably get what you pay for for $300.

I don't know if I'm smart/patient enough to build my own. I like the idea of not having all the crap that comes with a new computer.

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Old 02-23-2012, 12:28 AM   #36
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Been hearing about Ubuntu, might give that a try first.
+1 for Ubuntu Linux. Stable, secure, easy to use, and free.

Several of us around these parts have been using Linux in one form or another. I for one would totally support that choice. Get it, learn to use it, and you'll never go back to Window$. FYI, Ubuntu has changed its default desktop to Unity, a Mac-like shell for the Gnome environment. Lot of longtime Ubuntu users don't like it, but my wife and a lot of other folks do. If you're looking for a more traditional Ubuntu-like desktop, try Linux Mint with either the Gnome or KDE desktop. Mint comes with all the bells and whistles and has a big user base. I may be going to Mint when it comes time to upgrade. As all Linux distros are, very customizable.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:55 AM   #37
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Baby steps needed here. I tried Ubuntu running off a cd. I'm sure it speeds up a good bit when installed. The desktop looks good to me, I don't know anything about linux but agree it looks mac-like(fine with me).

If I do install it, is it pretty easy to bring pics/music/docs etc. over from the hard drive?

Is it pretty intuitive for folks who don't know a lot about computing? Seems that most linux users are pretty savvy about computers in general- something I'm definitely not.


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Old 02-23-2012, 06:57 AM   #38
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Ubuntu will run faster than windows on the same machine IMHO..

What I've down for others that were hesitant to make the switch is just setup a dual boot system (easy to do) so that that they can use windows when they want but start using linux as well. I've found that within a month, most don't boot into windows at all anymore.

As far as moving files around, linux will find and access your ntfs partitions (windows) just fine, but windows won't be able to see your linux partion too easily.

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Old 03-25-2012, 11:08 PM   #39
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Depending of course what it is being used for, honestly, I'd stick to building your own computer. However, if I were to purchase a laptop? I'd stick with a Mac Pro.

Only reason I suggest building your own, or having one custom, is for obvious reasons. Main reason- You can actually upgrade it. It's an investment, why not get the most from it? I have seen too many people just go ahead and purchase a new computer, costing thousands, when they could have just had someone build them one.

also, I must agree with the post above mine... Ubuntu, or any Linux Distro is a very smart move. Even if it's dual OS.

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Old 04-18-2012, 05:36 PM   #41
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1. New computer recommendation

Recommending computers is always a risky business. The life of a computer, in large part, depends on how it is being used and how people take care of them.

That being said, I almost always recommend ASUS computers. Typically you just get more bang for your buck and they are the only computers that have never given me any trouble. Your mileage may vary.

They used to own the lower priced laptop market but have since gotten a boost in popularity and decided to up their entry price a bit. HP will give you a similar spec laptop for the same price or even less in some cases but I would never recommend HP's lower end laptops. I can't tell you how many Dell laptops I have seen crash and burn as well. I hold a deep and dark hatred of Dell. ASUS is just better built IMHO and worth the extra 40 or so bucks.

I have heard many stories recently of some great deals on Dell laptops and how Dell restructured and is now top quality. I still won't risk it.

HP desktops are alright but ASUS still has them beat. Here is a quick compare on an entry level HP and ASUS.



Same price but the ASUS has better a faster processor, a better network card, digital card reader, HDMI output, and more expansion slots. They both have 6 USB 2.0 slots but the ASUS also 2 USB 3.0 slots so it's a little more "future proof"

From what I have seen, the trend continues on up into the higher price machines.

As per usual, shop around and take a good look at the machines in your price range but make sure to check out everything (like the things listed above) and not just the speed and hard drive space. Also, never ever listen to the box store employees.

2. 100 bucks to get rid of extra no good software

This is not technically a scam but just a money grab. There are pieces of software out there to get rid of that stuff for free. I have heard good things about PC Decrapifier (http://pcdecrapifier.com) but I have never tried it.

I usually just uninstall everything myself or do a complete factory restore (from the disk they give you with your system) right off the bat. Those programs are usually not on that disk.

The only thing that can be tricky to get rid of is the expensive antivirus stuff.

3. Good free software.

AVG is the standard for free Antivirus and is what I use. I have had a few issues but nothing too damaging. I have kids that use the computer at home and get fooled by the "Your computer has a virus" pop ups from time to time and there is really not a program that can fix that.

Crap Cleaner or "CCleaner" is really slick. It basically cleans out history and temp junk. I use it every day. http://www.piriform.com/

Spybot Search and Destroy is also essential. I don't use the antivirus part of it but do run it about once a month to make sure there is no spyware lurking in the background. Nothing against the antivirus part, I have just always relied on AVG.

4. Operating system

Windows 7 is the best Windows yet. It even has the famed XP beat in my opinion.

The other open source stuff is great but you will be left out of some programs that can not run on it.

Windows 8 is just around the corner and from what I hear, it might be the worst thing that has ever happened to computers. I really hope it's good but will stick with Win 7 for a while.

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Old 05-03-2012, 01:18 PM   #42
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I'm on the list to receive one of these next month. (Hopefully) Anyone for a $35.00 computer? Check out the specs. on the little guy.



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