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Old 09-05-2012, 08:34 AM   #1
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Help on planning curbless shower for SOG

Hi,
I'm planning a wetside bathroom remodel and have a planning/design question for the experts here.

I'd like to have a curbless shower (getting older and planning for the future, etc.). We have a typical Florida Slab on Grade bath and it is NOT recessed for the shower area. I've looked at several pre-formed pans and currently am interested in the Tuff-Form (55"x35") base. As noted in other discussions around here ("Curbless without a dropped floor" & "Curbless" threads in "Professional Hangout") there is some question about the code compliance of this solution.

I think I'd be happy with something along the lines of the "speed hump" as shown in John Bridge's article about accessible showers, but don't know how tall the edges of the shower area will be. The transition between the raised area and the rest of the room (on the sides), concerns me. Getting a good sloped base for a mud base without going too high also concerns me. (Glass wall / tub area).

Here's a picture of the Sketch-up diagram for the shower.

The shower area is 36"w by ~54" long (depending on the exact shape/placement of the speed-hump). I'm planning on using either Schluter-kerdi or Hydro-Ban waterproofing for the shower area and 2+ feet out onto the rest of the floor area(can do the entire floor as a wet-room if desirable). The wall tile will be floor to ceiling in the shower area and continue around the room as wainscot. There will be a heavy glass panel separating the shower from the tub (sealed on the bottom and wall sides, open by 12" at the top for ventilation/moisture escape). I could put that onto a "curb" (piece of granite as trim) if necessary. There will be NO door to the shower area. I'd like nothing more than the "speed-hump" for the floor. If necessary, the area beyond the speed hump (the "dressing area") could be elevated but will have to drop pretty quickly since the door is adjacent.

The initial plan was to use the Tuff-Form and raise the balance of the wet area (the entire remainder of the sketch) with CBU and waterproof it all with Hydro-Ban or Mapei MPG (think UK Wetroom approach). We would use a carpetshim to raise the adjacent (dry-side) entrance for the raised floor level. Would this work?

Any other suggestions besides jackhammer and recessing the floor level in the shower?

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Old 09-05-2012, 09:06 AM   #2
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Welcome, Steve.

I would suggest your first step be to contact your local code compliance office and have a talk with the inspector there. You'll not be able to comply with plumbing code with your plan and you're not making provisions for an actual ADA Accessible bathroom, which puts you into some very gray areas.

For the mechanics of the thing, you may be able to use the "speed bump" configuration if you'll just build a curb under the glass wall portion and call that a feature. It's a whole lot easier to deal with those glass walls on top of a curb than at floor level, anyway.

Other than that, the only good method I can see is to raise the entire bath floor with a 1" mud bed and slope the shower down from there. Might get by with only 3/4", but you can't go lower than that and I don't know what's outside the entry door so can't say how to deal with that, either.

My opinion; worth price charged.
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Hi Steve,

What CX said.

You don't have enough depth in the shower for a speed hump. The hump consumes a minimum of about 10 inches, and You wouldn't have enough usable shower left. I've had at least a four-foot depth in the speed hump type showers I've built -- and then I recommend a shower curtain instead of a glass enclosure. A curtain is much less restricting when it comes to wheeling into the shower.

Best idea is a very low curb like in the first picture in the article you read:
http://www.johnbridge.com/articles/s...sible-showers/

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Old 09-05-2012, 02:21 PM   #4
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Thanks CX and John...

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You don't have enough depth in the shower for a speed hump. The hump consumes a minimum of about 10 inches, and You wouldn't have enough usable shower left. I've had at least a four-foot depth in the speed hump type showers I've built --
The shower width is 3' and the glass is 4' long. The total distance from shower head wall to facing wall is 8'. The entrance is on the 3' end. I don't understand how I don't have enough length? There's 4' between the wall and the glass to turn into the shower and go up/down the speedhump. This area is shown with the shelf unit. For now, it's planned for drying off and dressing but access if necessary sometime in the future (minus the shelf unit).


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Best idea is a very low curb like in the first picture in the article you read:
(URL FOR John's article on accessible showers --- it won't allow me to embed a link????
I was most interested in the third picture in that article and the design of that shower.

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Old 09-05-2012, 03:04 PM   #5
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I've done many curb less roll in showers in your area and you dont need to buy a Tuff Pan.
I use a marble sill across the door area or even a slight 1/2" pr 1" drop.

you also dont need to comply with ADA guidlines in your personal residence

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ADA Frequently Asked Questions

Q: Who does NOT need to comply with the ADA Standards?

A: The new standards do not affect residential dwellings or housing units, such as a private residences, apartment complexes, condos or homeowner’s associations if they strictly limit the use of their facilities to residents and their guests.


Q: Who must comply with the new 2010 ADA Standards?

A: ADA standards cover both public entities (Title II) and private (Title III) facilities including pools operated by public park and recreation districts, hotels and motels, fitness and recreational sports clubs, country clubs, high schools and universities, water parks, hospitals and health care facilities.
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Old 09-05-2012, 03:31 PM   #6
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here is a tile shower we did last year in Odessa, Florida that we removed the
curb and set a marble sill flat on the floor for an older couple.

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Also, I have a few blogs I did on curb less, roll in, accessible showers.

http://ceramictec.com/accessible-han...e-shower-tampa

http://ceramictec.com/barrier-free-a...roll-in-shower

and a lot of customers we do just want to get rid of the curb but
still keep a small 1"-2" depressed shower area.

http://ceramictec.com/new-tampa-bathroom-tile-remodel
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Sorry. I picked up on the "54 inches."

I think maybe you should listen to Brian. He has local knowledge.
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Steve, the url block is an anti-spam measure we have in place. You'll be able to post links after your next post.
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Old 09-05-2012, 05:22 PM   #9
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I think maybe you should listen to Brian. He has local knowledge.
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Great Idea...We're already PM'ing and will probably get together in a day or two. I have read quite a few of his messages and know I will learn A LOT from just talking with him.

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Steve, I agree with Brian on the threshold idea . I have done a few like that and it always works out well without too much change in elevation. Also Schluter makes a ramp to match up to their pre-sloped shower trays. Not sure if that would create issues for the rest of the bathroom fixtures? I think you would need a glass door or curtain though to truely contain the water. Just a thought.
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Old 10-12-2012, 04:12 PM   #11
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Just a minor note to say that I did contact Brian and worked very closely with him to come up with a beautiful design and he has executed it flawlessly. It looks GORGEOUS...I'll let him do his posts in work in progress but I will definitely post some completion pictures once the job is completed....

Thanks for the input and thanks even more for helping me find Brian...

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OK, so long a you unnerstan finders, keepers.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:59 PM   #13
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Finished Bath

Here are the pictures of our finished bath...WE LOVE IT...

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Thanks again for Brian too...

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looks very nice.
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Thanks again for Brian too...
anytime, it was my pleasure doing the project.

here was the post in the "work in progress" thread.

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