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Old 12-05-2017, 05:49 PM   #1
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Hello everyone. I stumbled upon this site as I was doing a bit of research for my upcoming project. Seems like a great resource so I am hoping some of you on here can help me with a few questions. I've watched about all the DIY YouTube videos out there but most touch on the install portion and leave out the most important part which is layout.

Some background on my project. I am currently building my first and forever home so I am pretty excited about that. In an effort to save some money I agreed to tile the 1st floor as well as the master bathroom. I took a screenshot of my plans (attached) and will be responsible for tiling everything inside of the red area.

I have a ranch house and I am using large format 12"x24" rectified tile in the master bathroom as well as 8"x45.5" rectified wood look tile in the main great room area. I am using Raimondi tile leveling spacers with a 1/8" grout joint for both the master bath as well as the great room/main area.

I also am tiling over a hydronic in floor heating system. I am having pex tubing stapled to the subfloor and will have 1.5" Gypcrete poured over that. I will be using Blanke Permat as my uncoupling/anti-fracture membrane and will be tiling over that once that's laid.

Now that that's all out of the way here are my questions.

1- Expansion joints & tile layout. I was planning on laying the tile so the planks run horizontally (east/west) as opposed to vertically (north/south). I was going to do so as the hardwood floor from what I've been told typically is run perpendicular to the direction of the floor joists, which in my case run north and south. I'd like to follow the same logic since it's "wood look tile" but I am concerned with how that will look having to account for expansion joints. I was planning to install them in each door way however that might look funny if you have to cut tiles in half in the middle of a door way if they are run east and west. Does anyone have any recommendations based on my layout which way to run the tile and any tricks in hiding the expansion joints around doorways?

From what I've read it looks like it's recommended to have expansion joints every 20-25'. I'll have expansion joints along the perimeter where the tile meets the walls but since my house is an open concept, there are a few spots with tile running for more than 20-25' in the middle. Anyone have any suggestions based on my plans?

2- I am concerned as my tile wraps around from the great room to the kitchen back to the laundry room and all connects near the front entrance. I am concerned with tiling all the way around that area only to find out that I've been a little bit off with my grout joints along the way and things might not line up correctly. Is there any methods you recommend that might help mitigate any risk of not lining up correctly when everything's said and done?

3 - Is it recommended to leave perimeter expansion joints open or should I fill that area with silicon or some sort of other material? From what I have read it seems like you can do either but I think I'd prefer just to leave that space open along the perimeter of the walls if acceptable.

4 - Once I decide the direction of my tile layout where should I lay my first tile? I have seen the 3,4,5 method used for squaring up a wall however they never really specify which wall to "square up" in a room if the room isn't a perfect square or rectangle like in my application. Laying the tile seems like the hardest part so any advice is greatly appreciated.

I am sure I will have a few more questions but those are the main ones that I can think of.

Thanks!
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Old 12-05-2017, 06:27 PM   #2
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Welcome, Jared.

1. If your floor structure is suitable for a ceramic tile installation, it makes no difference at all in which direction you orient your tiles. You have planned your floor structure in consideration of your substantially increased dead load with this gypsum and tile installation?

No one wants to see any movement accommodation joints in their floor tile installations, but most folks would also rather see them than see cracks later. The aesthetic considerations would be up to you and Mrs. Jared.

2. Measure very carefully and mark your layout even more carefully. A laser can be very helpful and there are some made specifically for such floor layouts.

3. I'd leave them completely open so long as they're covered by trim.

4. Anywhere you like.

Once you have your layout planned and marked on the floor, you can lay your tiles anywhere in your layout so long as you're careful to stay on the correct side of the lines. You can also start in more than one place if that's of benefit to you.

Squaring up the floor initially is usually done in reference to the longest or/and most visible wall in the room. You'll want to experiment a little to see how square your walls are and what layout would give you the best appearance with the fewest small cuts and least visible out-of-square cuts.

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Old 12-22-2017, 12:31 PM   #3
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1- I know there isn't a need to run the tiles one way or the other but I know from aesthetic purposes the grout lines make a difference and I wasn't sure about pros/cons of each direction given my layout. Some I have heard say you don't want horizontal grout lines going across the hall of the mudroom/kitchen if that's at a diagonal. I don't think it will matter but I was curious what everyone's opinions are.

The floor joists were upgraded to the BLS-80 size I believe so it was engineered into the design of the house yep.

2 - Is there a good strategy to use to make sure that all the tiles line up when they meet each other. Should I be tiling straight across the middle of the room (assuming I'm running tile horizontally) and then branch out up and down from there? Any specific tile lasers you'd recommend for such an application?

3 - ok

4- I think I will square up the first major wall as you walk in the front door. The other walls have an island and fireplace which might make things more challenging to use.

I was planning on doing an dry run layout of a few rows to see how things line up in each room. I feel like that's going to take forever to layout to see if I will have issues in any closets/bathrooms etc.
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Old 12-22-2017, 08:02 PM   #4
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2. Again, measure and mark carefully and you can start installing your tiles at any place, or places, on your floor so long as you honor your lines the same way everywhere.

Type laser into the Advanced Search feature and ask for your result in Titles. More helpful if you limit the search to the Hangout. You'll find some discussion of various types of laser for floor layouts. And the technology is constantly improving and there may be some new models on today's market.

But you don't actually need a laser to do your layout, it just makes it easier sometimes. What you really need is one master layout line and one line perpendicular to that one. From those two lines you can measure for the rest of your layout lines. The more accurately you measure and mark, the more accurate your tile layout will be.

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Old 12-23-2017, 09:39 AM   #5
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As far as lasers, I have several for different tasks, but my favorite for floor layout is PLS. I've had good service from PLS and have two others. I also like Bosch as a company, but have no experience with this one.

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/bos...-gtl3-33905-p/

https://www.plslaser.com/products/pls-ft-90
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Old 01-05-2018, 12:24 PM   #6
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Another question I have is in regards to the tile layout. Everyone says a random layout is the best way to go aesthetic wise to make it look the most natural. I've read the manufacturers recommendations to not overlap the tiles more than 1/3 the length. Every random tile layout that I have seen has tiles that overlap by more than 1/3 a tile and I'd imagine there's no way to avoid this if you go with a truly random layout.

Any suggestions?
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Old 02-06-2018, 12:28 PM   #7
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I am starting to get close to my tile installation and I am hoping someone on here can help clarify this. I have read based on the tile installers handbook they recommend installing movement joints every 20-25 or so feet of continuous tile for interior work. To stay consistent with those requirements I was thinking of putting them somewhere in the neighborhood of the red lines. In doing so I would be running my wood look tile (8.5x45" planks) horizontally across the room.

Does anyone have any recommendations for where to locate movement joints given my layout? I am also concerned with matching the grout color with the movement joint. Any suggestions?
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I'm by no means an expert and screw up just as much as the next guy.

But, I did by the PLS laser kit (PLS 180 and FT 90 tile laser). I use the PLS 180 line laser ALL the time in a little rehab house I work on. Tons of uses for it.

I just tiled a small bathroom and used the FT90 last weekend. The "deal" with that is once you set it up, you will eventually end up kicking/moving it.

I ended up shooting a laser and marking my lines with pencil. Then if you kick it...just reset to the marks.

It works great.
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