View Full Version : Laticrete Unmodified
07-21-2010, 08:35 PM
Hey, I'm doing my first all laticrete (except kerdi board) install. What's the best unmodified, 272 or 317? Thanks.
07-21-2010, 08:37 PM
I like I mean love 317, 272 can't be had around here. I used 317 for all my kerdi and ditra jobs.
07-21-2010, 08:39 PM
What's the difference? I asked Bedrosians and they said 272 was better but I'm not sure they really knew.
07-21-2010, 08:42 PM
272 is supposed to be better more Portland cement the premium but 317 is a darn good thinset. It dries really hard on kerdi/ditra. Its priced well too.
07-21-2010, 08:43 PM
I'm currently using 317 on a Kerdi job and it's a fine unmodified. Seems to me I also heard that 272 is a notch better in that it is "creamier". Unfortunately my supplier doesn't carry 272.
07-21-2010, 08:43 PM
Thanks Rick, I wish you were in Utah to come and help me mud a big floor.
07-21-2010, 08:46 PM
Schluter wants a thinset with I high portland cement content. If you look at the mds files on the manufactures website they tell you the portland cement content in the unmodified.
I used kerabond on my last Ditra job i noticed it was creamier then 317 I looked on mapei's website and the portland cement ratio was much higher then laticretes 317, but 317 meets the requirements regardless.
Out here no one cares if you can mud its funny, so many guys can do it around here because the union is so strong around here.
07-21-2010, 08:52 PM
I've always used kerabond and it's awesome. I've been using Mapei for 14 years. I wanted to try a full laticrete install and see how it compares. Hydroban, 4xlt, spectralaock and 272 will all be involved.
Rick, that must only apply to your side of the state.where I live the union tile guys don't have much work and do alot of side stuff..and many non-union guys do commercial union work WITH the knowledge of the other trades/foreman...
And as far as mud...most of the union guys I met can't even do mud..non-union mud guys are very very rare...I only know about three guys here that do mud. and their all about 60 yrs old.
I mean I certainly don't know ALL the tile setters around here..but that is what I have seen so far.
Ive noticed lack of enthusiasm also about my mud skills but most of my customers don't really know(or care) what im talking about I suspect
07-21-2010, 09:05 PM
I've never tried the 272, but I've heard alot of good things in here about it. That said, the 317 has always done a good job for me (or if you get it from Lowes, the Megabond-- exact same thinset).
Mark, you might try getting in touch with Juan in here. I'm not sure, but I think He's in the Cedar City area. Might have to get a hotel, but it wouldn't hurt to ask! ;)
07-21-2010, 10:08 PM
Never used 272 either but 317 has been flawless for us..Not so much as a single hard crumb and we have gone through a bunch in the past year..God love whoever invented that plastic bag!!!!
07-21-2010, 10:13 PM
Bill, I don't believe Megabond is "exactly" the same as 317. At least, it didn't seem so to me, :shrug:
07-21-2010, 10:35 PM
it's the same.
I just used the 317 for the upped deck over Ditra and love it !
07-21-2010, 10:37 PM
Greg, thanks, but I'm familiar with Megabond. It's an unmodified, manufactured by Laticrete exclusively for Lowe's. Some have claimed it is the same thinset as 317, but it didn't seem the same to me the one time I used it.
BTW, I was in Frankfort Ky the other day. I believe that's in your neck of the woods, no?
I'll make it over to Lexington one of these days. :)
07-21-2010, 10:46 PM
I was told by my supplier 272 is replacing 317.
07-22-2010, 08:09 AM
Greg-- that came from my area rep.
07-22-2010, 08:16 AM
Maybe they've changed the formula since I last used it. It's been a couple of years. :)
That's good to know.
07-22-2010, 03:02 PM
you will love the 272. It is the best unmod I have used. I like it better than the ditraset I had. I was told 272 had a higher portland content. It also has something magic in it, Henry wouldn't tell me what it was though.
I have had a lot of questionable things with kerabond. Inconsistent sand size, I have a picture showing two different bags mixed up and the color is completely different, one dried MUCH harder than the other too. That was the last time I bought kerabond.
Love laticretes bags too!
07-22-2010, 03:05 PM
Another vote for 317. Been using it for a couple years now with great success. I have never used 272, no one stocks it around here. And also, when I went to PTK, I was asking my rep about it and he basically said "rid your mind of it, its being phased out"
Henry, is this true?
07-22-2010, 05:37 PM
272 is great stuff. Never had 317 available but the 272 is the more premium one if you can get it. Only other thinset I've used that was as nice was TEC Fullset Plus. It was quite lumpy out of the bag though. The 272 wasn't.
I've also heard that 272 is being phased out.
Please don't kill 272 Henry!
07-22-2010, 08:01 PM
I used 317 for the first time last week. Seemed like a premium unmodified to me. I'll go on record that the supplier around me carries very little of the product line and only has is grey...i likey white betta. oh and you all get laticrete for a whole lot less $$$ than me.
07-22-2010, 08:58 PM
Im a fan of MEGABOND & 317. Lowes here switched away from Laticrete so I have to go 70 miles to get 317. Real bummer. Hammy
irish tileguy in michigan
07-22-2010, 09:03 PM
I saw in my lowes that they are carrying "sureset"
07-22-2010, 10:45 PM
steve, I saw the same thing here too, sureset at Lowes:yummy:
07-22-2010, 10:56 PM
272 is the best 118.1 out there - no question... Last I heard, it's gone toward the end of the year.
07-22-2010, 11:24 PM
Love both 317 & Ditraset. Nothing has fallen off so sallgood. Really like the cleanup and toothbrushin groutlines next day with unmod. Gettin to the point where I dread using modified.
07-23-2010, 02:24 PM
I was speaking to my Laticrete Rep. today, I had the pebble in my Permacolor issue. I brought up the issue about unmod. the 272 and 317. He said the 272 is being phased out up this way, don't know if that applies to all over the US. I was picking up some of each at my Distributor today, I use 333 and 272 under Ditra over linoluem over slab. I use 317 on top of Ditra and under kerdi, great stuff.
Sureset at Lowes yes same here! Never used it.
I pay 13.50 for 272 grey, and 9.39 for 317 grey
What is everyone paying for Ditra, I paid 1.33 a sq. ft for a 150 sq. ft. roll before taxes
07-23-2010, 02:32 PM
I try to buy 6 rolls of ditra at once and can get it for 1.05 per sf that way. If I can only afford to buy one it's around 1.25 per sf
07-23-2010, 05:25 PM
Up here, a 325 foot roll will cost me about 330.00, and a 55 foot roll, no matter how many I buy at a time, will cost me about 85.00 a roll. If I buy it at HD, it goes up to 95.00 a roll.
07-23-2010, 06:54 PM
Jon, I get Ditra for $1.10 sq/ft, but they only bring in the 323 ft rolls.
08-10-2010, 12:41 AM
Just an update for anyone who cares, the 272 is muy bueno. I had to look at the bag again after I spread my first tile just to make sure I didn't accidentally use a modified. It's some gooey stuff. I popped off a tile the next day just to check it out, very strong stuff.
08-10-2010, 06:20 AM
Was it porcelain tile?
08-10-2010, 07:03 PM
Mark, tell us exactly what you did with it. Hammy
08-17-2010, 06:46 PM
That secret ingredient in the 272 is latex.
08-17-2010, 07:41 PM
How's that if it's unmodified?
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08-17-2010, 09:52 PM
what ever happened to 280? It was a non mod. I liked it with 333 mean stuff.
Steve in PA
08-17-2010, 09:52 PM
272 mixed with 333 additive is a brutal combination. Spent many an evening trying to get it off of my fingernails.
08-18-2010, 09:17 AM
I heard its one big mess 272 mixed with latex.
08-19-2010, 10:55 PM
272 mixed with latex is one serious pooky! I will say it again that it is the best thinset I have ever used over ditra or kerdi. Wonderful stuff. I am yet to get a straight answer on what exactly is in it. I am just told it is an un-mod with proprietary ingredients (secrets) inside. I don't know if it is latex or what it is but it is good stuff. I took a picture once of what I call "hairs" between the trowel and thinset as I pulled the trowel away. Never seen that before on any unmod. I happened to be using 253 and 272 on the same job one time and thinset some pieces together to check bond, glazed porcelain side to glazed porcelain side. By my highly scientific testing, after 24 hours they were both stuck good enough to stay that way forever and seemed to require the same force to separate.
It will be sad if they do drop 272, at least is sounds like 317 is pretty good stuff. Might have to try it sometime just to see.
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