Dog attack

[HotinOKC]

Well, my wife calls me at work today, hysterical because our neighbors pit bull broke through the fence and attacked our young lab. My wife, who is pregnant was out their filling up their pool when it happened. Luckily, our 140 lb black lab was protecting my wife and attacking the pit until it ran back into their yard.

When I got home, I was walking out their with my 12gauge to kill this SOB dog but animal control had already showed up.

Here's the slight injury my youngest lab suffered, she'll be ok.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h178/normanmj/DSC_3381.jpg

[Sponsored Links]

[LadyGodiva]

I don't blame you for wanting to take that sucker down!!

Your wife and dog were extremely lucky. Will the neighbour pay to have your lab checked by a vet?

My dog was attacked about three years ago by two big hunting dogs. He had to be at the Vet's for 8 days, and had stitches and other things done. Maybe I was too nice to my neighbours (young couple), but all I expected was that the Vet's bill be paid. It was quite a bit too. They eventually put their dogs down after they repeatedly tried to dig under the fence and come back into our yard:complain:

[HotinOKC]

Hi Eli.

I brought her to the vet. Put her on antibiotics and such. I'm pretty sure my neighbors will pay. They are very nice people to us. I guess, our city ordinance only allows 4 dogs per home, and they had 5. Animal control told them to get rid of the dog or face a hefty fine.

[LadyGodiva]

Our experience was terrifying. My dog is a 9 lb Pom, and those two big dogs must have thought he was a squirrel. I saw one of them hold him in his mouth and shake the heck out of him. It was very scary. I thought for sure he would die. He had two punctures on his side and loss some blood, but he pulled through. It was a traumatic exdperince for him. He would not let me go near him, and was terrified to go out for awhile.

I see you're in OK C. I'm in T-town. I thought folks out there were mighty friendly compared to my city. :)

Glad your baby will be fine.

[HS345]

LG is right, your wife and dog are very, very lucky. Labs are usually no match for a pitbull. Your dog is a hero. :nod:

I know it's not their fault, but pitbulls are a dangerous breed. I don't care what anyone says about, "it's how you raise them". That is complete and utter BS. I know first hand.

[LadyGodiva]

Greg, those are my sentiments about Pitbulls as well. I've read and heard too many horror stories about those dogs!

[Stone Dude]

thats ridiculous. pitbulls are not just flat out a dangerous breed.

ten years ago rotweilers were a "dangerous breed" ten years before that it was german shepards.

how you raise them has a lot to do with it, but so does there blood line.

they have the potential to be violent and powerfull dogs, thats why the douchebags that raise them improperly choose that breed.

If I were to get a pit, I would definitely do a little family history, but to just write them off as a bad breed is incorrect.

the lab is just as much an animal as the pitbull, and it is possible for some reason the pitbull though it had a reason to attack your dog. I know its not likely but its possible.

labs are known for being gentle kind dogs, but they can hold their own when they have to, kinda like a dolphin fending off a shark.

I am not a hug pitbull fan, I have never had one, but I dont believe there is just a flat out bad breed.

I am very sorry to hear about your dog though, i am glad she is okay.

[LadyGodiva]

Really?

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/2009/01/2008-us-dog-bite-fatality-statistics.html

[HS345]

With all due respect Cameron, you're just plain wrong. Nothing personal.

How many well raised pitbulls have to kill, and maim, before you are convinced? That's not a rhetorical question.

[HS345]

Thanks for the link Eli, it's about time I became involved in this issue.

[ceramictec]

Greg, I think you read Camerons post wrong.

I agree with him, most tools that get these dogs throw them out back once the Christmas present puppy has worn off. they they get aggressive, etc.
yes they are a bred aggressive breed but you can take a lion and make it friendly.

I have a Rottweiler and she is a doll. but she has lived inside with me since I took her home at 8 weeks. I trained her in German and hand signal with help from a Police dog trainer. she is well behaved compared to a general dog. she can fight and has when attacked by another stray dog, but she has more love since that's what I gave her.

what you put into your dog is what you get out.


Does breed matter?
Some breeds are well known to be more aggressive than others, having been bred over the years to encourage this aggression.

Is aggression inherited?
Aggression can certainly be inherited. While a particular dog breed may generally be mild mannered, an unusually aggressive parent can pass its aggression along to its puppy. This is definitely something to watch out for when you are buying a puppy!

Are males or females more aggressive?
While you will find aggressive females, male dogs are definitely more aggressive.

[HS345]

Thanks Brian, but I understood Cameron's post perfectly.

Statistics alone prove pitbulls are a dangerous breed. While the manner in which you raise any dog affects the dogs demeanor, it often doesn't matter with pitbulls.

As I said before, how many well raised pitbulls have to kill, or maim, before you are convinced?

[ceramictec]

Ok, just wanted to make sure.

I don't particularly care for the breed myself, I'm not impressed with them.

my Brother has an American Staffordshire Terrier, call it what you want but It's a Pitbull to me. best dog I have seen besides mine.

if the breed is too aggressive from over breeding and bad handling I will agree.
it's just the class of people buying them and raising them.

but we already been through that with the old Great Dane, Doberman, German Shepherd, Rotts, Mastiffs, etc. etc.

people need to start watching the King Corso, Cane Corso & Fila Brasileiro if the pit makes you worried.

[Splinter]

I had a Bull Terrier years ago, and you couldnt find a nicer dog anywhere... A complete stranger could whack him on the nose and he wouldnt attack...

Greg, your statistics show pitbulls as dangerous because they're one of the breeds primarily used by the knuckleheads who want a vicious dog. Nobody is training a Lasa Apsos to be a fighting dog.

I'm one of those that believe its all about how they're raised. And dont nitpick, there's always an exception to the rule, but I believe most all dogs raised in a gentle environment will be gentle dogs.

[HS345]

I'm one of those that believe its all about how they're raised. And dont nitpick, there's always an exception to the rule, but I believe most all dogs raised in a gentle environment will be gentle dogs.
I have to admit, I have a biased view of pitbulls, due to my own personal experience. But I firmly believe, even if one were to take into account the knucklehead factor, pits would still be statistically dangerous. It's all about the jaw pressure.

I don't know what the solution is, whether it's outright banning of the breed, or stricter regulations and penalties, but something must be done.

[HotinOKC]

We had a pit bull once, years ago. It was a nice dog, but the city we were living in at the time fined us $500 because they were illegal there.

[ceramictec]

my Mom is afraid of Shepherds, she got bit by one when she was little.
but she isn't afraid of my 120lb Rott...go figure.:stick:

[java]

I'm not gona really get into it with the Bully Bred haters because I have heard it all before. Funny how people who don't own, have never owned and have no real experience with the bred know so much about them.

But maybe some of you should check out the truth.

The American Pit Bull Terrier was the most popular
family dog during the first part of the 20th century.

http://dontbullymybreed.org/

Here are some real fighters.
M. Vicks dogs. True killers so you know they couldn't be big teddy bears.

http://www.badrap.org/rescue/video/vick/badrap_rr_022808.html


And as I type this I'm watching my 5 yr old daughter and her two girl friends
wrestle my two pits in a game of keep a way with one of their flip flops.
Let me tell ya, when the girls win the shoe it's big slobbery kisses until they
give in a let the dogs have the shoe back.

"According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, about 800,000 people seek medical treatment each year for a dog bite. But, are your chances of getting bitten by a pit bull greater than any other dog?

The answer is no, said Dr. Dianne Soule, a Boise veterinarian. In her 24 years of experience, Soule says she's been bitten by just about every breed, except a pit bull."

[Stone Dude]

think about it from a different perspective;

how many pitbulls are out there? a crapload right? every douchebag and his douchebag friend wants a pitbull because they think its cool. you have a higher ratio of pitbulls than most other dogs

what you have is merely a percentage of each breed with issues, pitbulls being heavily influenced by douchebags, which incedentally there are a high concentration of douchebags too.

its the same thing with cars. everyone says fords chevys and dodge sucks because so many break. well there are many more of them than there are of suburu, mercedes, jag etc.

youre making more, therefore 5% of this is a higher number than 5% of that.


pitbulls dont just decide they want to attack for no reason, its instilled in them, whether it be from some jerkoff drug dealer or the fact that its mother, or mother's mother was raised by an A-hole.

pit bulls in general (not in the same bloodline as a viscious pitbull) are not bad dogs. there is no proof.

you can read all the crap you want its crap.

its the same thing as if you read in the paper or on the internet that you should clean your marble with citrus acid (I saw it with my own eyes).


there are A LOT of pitbulls, and there are A LOT of A**holes that raise pitbulls. yes alot of pitbulls are condemned and it is truly sad, but the breed pitbull has no predetermined killing plans, its ludicrous

[Stone Dude]

a golden retriever or a lab that has been hit one time has the same chances of snapping at someone as a pitbull that has been hit on time.

they are animals just like us. any one of us can snap at any time. look at this retard in england, a prep school science teach that started beating a 14 year old kid over the head with a metal weight. the guy is a private school instructor, with a great reputation! what the hell happened?

[Davy]

There are aggressive dogs within all breeds. Hell, I've seen some pretty aggressive Chihuahuas before. But, there's a big difference in a Pit Bull bite and one from a small dog. Also, dogs have their bad days just like we do. They might be sick without us knowing it, or just getting older. An older dog may not want to play like he did when he was young. I've seen many different breeds "snap", dogs that have never bitten anyone. It only takes a second for a big, strong dog to hurt a child. I won't have a Pit Bull or any other large dog around my grand kids. I just won't take that chance.

[ceramictec]

Jason, I loved the Rachel Ray video. thanks for posting that.

yep..."all sorts of personalities" just like people. and some people's personalities lead them to do bad things but most of the time people are nice.

[HS345]

I'm not gona really get into it with the Bully Bred haters because I have heard it all before. Funny how people who don't own, have never owned and have no real experience with the bred know so much about them.
I am not a "bully bred hater", whatever that is, and I have owned two pit bulls (sorry if I misspelled it earlier). A red nose pit bull terrier who lived to old age and died of natural causes, and a white pit bull who did not live to old age and had to be euthanized. These dogs were ADBA registered, and pedigreed. These dogs were raised in a family environment, and were not fighting dogs. So, I do know a little about the breed.

[Stone Dude]

they did a "study" that shows that chihuahuah's are actually the most agressive breed by a significant margin, but they are too small for people to be affected.

kinda like the daddy longlegs spider being the most poisonous but not having the teeth to do anything about it.

[java]

kinda like the daddy longlegs spider being the most poisonous but not having the teeth to do anything about it.

Grand daddy long legs are not spiders at all.

They are actually related to rolly pollies or what some call pill bugs.

[HS345]

Grand daddy long legs are not spiders at all.

They are actually related to rolly pollies or what some call pill bugs.
That's interesting, I did not know that. I'm gonna hafta look that up. :)

I have always heard that daddy long legs were venomous, but not to humans. Never knew if it was really true or not.

Clyde, a little help over here! :D

[Beaux]

Well the meanest dog I ever owned was a chiwawa named chico pure bad ass .Don't pet nor wake up unless that is what he wanted. It stayed that way for some 9 years. Hard to pet that old bastard.

Now I own a English bulldog, a bully breed as y'all call it. By far the coolest dog I've ever been aground. He is built like a brick shit house, all muscle and head. To see Tugboat most are scared to death, freeze in there shoes. But hell man he will probably help you with my TV to the truck. He loves everybody and everything. The damn rabbit's don't even run from him anymore in the yard. All show ..

LOL.......... maybe I'll post him scratching his ba..

ps. this is a man who has been attacked by a pit bull.

[madronatile]

Hard to argue that they're not dangerous.


http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%20Clifton.pdf

[Stone Dude]

haha are you serious?

look at that chart again

akita makes up 50% of what pit bull does. do you think there are twice as many pit bulls as akitas? theres probably 10 times more pitbulls than akitas.

when was the last time you saw an akita?

once again its not the breed.

if people started fighting labs, we would have the same exact epidemic.

[ceramictec]

when was the last time you saw an akita?my friend had a really old one "Nanook" he died at 13 or 14.
but he got another named "Nala" and she is so loving too.
even with his 2 little ones.

[HS345]

akita makes up 50% of what pit bull does. do you think there are twice as many pit bulls as akitas? theres probably 10 times more pitbulls than akitas.

when was the last time you saw an akita?

Speculation and anecdotes are no substitute for real facts.

Having said that, I will concede that reliable numbers on dog populations are probably hard to come by. But simply having, "not seen an Akita" doesn't mean much IMHO.

[Dave Taylor]

when was the last time you saw an akita?

First and last I ever heard of the breed was during the OJ Simpson trials.

[HS345]

First and last I ever heard of the breed was during the OJ Simpson trials.
Didn't that dog take the stand? :D

[Marge]

We had a wonderful Akita, Mongo, that we had through his 12th year. He was Wiley's buddy for four years. When Wiley and I met, it was over...Mongo attached himself to me and was loving, devoted and protective. Wiley would say to friends and family that would visit...."oh, you remember Mongo? He used to be MY dog." :)

We also knew some Akitas not to be trusted around strangers.

Don't have an opinion to offer about any of this...just made us remember some sweet thoughts about our beloved Akita furball. Great thoughts. :)

[Dave Taylor]

Mongo attached himself to me

Hmmmm Marge.

So much fer' dog bein' man's best friend.

[ceramictec]

I had to post this...knew I was saving it for a special day. :D

[Stone Dude]

akitas are gorgeous, I had a siberian husky for 15 years, looking to get another as soon as I know I have time for it.

[Stone Dude]

Brian that giant dog wouldnt hurt a fly, they are giant kids. My fiance wants a great dane but I dont know if I can handle the short life span.

[madronatile]

Hey Cameron,

I did look at the chart again. Did you read the article?

One death and 39 maimings from Akita, 1982-2006.

104 deaths and 608 maimings by pit bull terrier, same time period.

39% of all deaths were by pit bull terrier.

What am I missing?

[ceramictec]

Brian that giant dog wouldnt hurt a fly, they are giant kids. My fiance wants a great dane but I dont know if I can handle the short life span.I had one when I was young named "Shawna".
all I remember was she was well trained by my Dad and big as hell !

[Dave Taylor]

Why would there be a newspaper clipping about you, your dad and the dog?

Slow news day? Yuck yuck yuck.

And.... that don't look like Florida! :think:

[Foochacho]

I was attacked by a great dane. Bit me in the tricep and got me pretty good.

[Bugman]

OK Brian. Here's the scoop on granddaddy long legs

http://spiders.ucr.edu/daddylonglegs.html

[ceramictec]

Dave,

that was South Jersey circa 1975-76
snow day or something and we were walking the dog and the guy was amazed.

something like that..........