Senator Franken

[gueuzeman]

That's right- SENATOR. :moon:

oh- and :moon::moon::moon::moon:

of course, now that Harry Ried has the fillibuster-proof supermajority he's always claimed he neede, we will see what a spineless worm he is.

But Al and Franny move to Washoington. I need to dig up my copy of the "Rush Limbaugh is a ......" book, or better yet listen to the reactions of the jackels of conservative lies.

gueuze

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[Davestone]

:sick:

[tilerite]

Al Franken is a wretched piece of vermin. And thats his good side. How dumb are the folks in Minnesota to elect a twisted ideologue like Franken?? God help us all.

[HS345]

How dumb are the folks in Minnesota to elect a twisted ideologue like Franken?? God help us all.
Well, they elected Jessie Ventura. Didn't they?

Right back atcha gueuze. :moon::moon::moon::moon:


:D


Does this mean the libs will stop blaming Bush? :shrug:

[gueuzeman]

Rick- your state is responsible for Jesse Helms, so your assessment of SENATOR FRANKEN and the voters of the Great state of Minnesota really needs to be viewed in context.

If only Al Gore had had the chutzpah to stick out the Florida recount, we might have been spared the Bush travesty.

gueuze

[ddmoit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNegMx82qpU

Gueuze, see Curly's remark at about 1:55 to understand my thoughts about the choosing between W and Gore.

[Shaughnn]

Gueuze,
I'm going to close this thread as it's obviously meant to pick a fight, and there really isn't anything productive that can come out of your opening post. If you'd like to discuss Senator Franken's election and it's relevance to national politics, I invite you to leave your dog-poking stick outside. :stick:
Shaughnn

[jgleason]

A few of the mods had a discussion and decided the thread could be re-opened. I would like to remind everyone to play nice with each other. Personal insults or name calling will not be tolerated.

As for Franken - At least he isn't a lawyer! :rolleyes:

[HS345]

Joe,
Kin we at least call Al Franken names? :D

[jgleason]

Yes Greg, unless Franken comes on the forum as a member in which case you'd have to be nice to him. :D

Franken does put the Dems at the magic number of 60. Assuming they can hold together as a voting bloc in the Senate then just about anything the Dems want passed can pass.

[Tymeless]

So now that the dems can pass the cap & trade bill without any opposition, what will Obama have to say about no one earning less than 250K getting taxed?

[sandbagger]

forget Cap and Tax - even Reid says he hasn't got anywhere near the votes. Doesn't make it any less scary, however. :eek:

[tilerite]

Rick- your state is responsible for Jesse Helms, so your assessment of SENATOR FRANKEN and the voters of the Great state of Minnesota really needs to be viewed in context.

Helms was another piece of vermin but please don't label North Carolina as "my state". I've lived here for a mere 7 years. If there is any state that should be claimed as "my state", it would have to be the one I lived in for over 30 years (Pa.). Then again, my hometown, Philadelphia, may be the most corrupt city in the United States. There's bad people everywhere. Franken may be the worst though.

If only Al Gore had had the chutzpah to stick out the Florida recount, we might have been spared the Bush travesty.

Yeah, then we would have had the Gore travesty. Whoopie!!!

[dbol]

His radio show and station were so successful too!
Listen to Mark Levin. He will set your liberal thoughts straight.

[gueuzeman]

Well, re-opening this saves me from starting the kinder,gentler Al Franken thread.:drevil:

Really, he has a tough job representing his constituency, as hid district is split about 50.001% to 49.999%. I do hope that he continues to champion the memory of the sadly departed Paul Wellstone.

As for the cap and trade thingy, didn't that pass already with lots of northeast repblickers voting for it as they are trying to hold onto their seats because their districts think it's the right thing to do, whether you think it is or not.

gueuze-whatever

[Mark Krachenspiner]

I voted for Jesse Ventura but not Al Franken, two completely different animals.

Republicans better wake up. We need an overhaul of the entire republican party, nothing but a bunch of liberal lights...Coleman himself was a lib in disguise and was the reason why so many Paulestinians voted for the independent, Barkley ( 15 percent of the vote) in this race.

The independents, like the Paulestinians, are smart enough to know their way into "power" is through the recruitment of old red dog conservatives. The Paulestinians won't compromise and pick the least of two evils. They'de rather kick back in the recliner and roll their gold coins around in the fingers watching the country go down the tubes than to compromise their values. Can't blame them.

good day.

[sdaniels7114]

Al was a writer on SNL back in the days when Belushi et al were dumping giant piles of cocaine all over everybody. He had the character to say no then, I think he's got the character to be an outstanding Senator today.

[Shaughnn]

Steve,
They don't want to hear that. They want more "Stuart Smalley" jokes. :tongue:
Shaughnn

[Crestone Tile]

Gueuze,
I'm going to close this thread as it's obviously meant to pick a fight

I thought that gueuzeman was the new "appropriateness" barometer? :drevil:

of course, now that Harry Ried has the fillibuster-proof supermajority he's always claimed he neede, we will see what a spineless worm he is.


... along with the rest of the dem party. The Democrats are the new conservative party.


Gueuze, what's going on in NY ... do both parties still think that they're the majority?

[jjwq8]

Steve,
Assuming your anecdote to be based on a smidgen of truth, how could anyone there at the time claim to never have "inhaled"? :D

[gueuzeman]

Jeremy-" Not doing any coke" in the SNL world of the 70's probably means cutting lines with a razor instead of using a shovel. But like Frank Zappa, it's also possible that despite the weirdness, he really didn't "inhale". I couldn't care less.

OFF-TOPIC : NY Senate- Shameful babies who all want to take their ball and go home. Pattison has threatened to block their pay and per diem expenses, and he should. Senators are whining about that as well.
http://www.timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=816066

I'd go one better- cancel their health insurance, especially their spouses and children. Then see how fast they get back to work. Yes, I am advocating torturing children to get information from the parents, something I learned from Dick Cheney.


gueuze- barometric lame pig of appropriateness

[tilerite]

I think he's got the character to be an outstanding Senator today.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[HammerMill88]

You know, truth of the matter is that he is about as good as half of the 534 other guys and gals representing this great nation.

I guess we will now see how truly venomous our elected are.

[Davestone]

How can anyone be so incredibly nuts, and not have done mountains of coke?:D Oh, and i can NOT ever remember laughing at one thing that moron ever wrote,said,or did,but i'm sure i will.

[HS345]

It's Florida 2000 all over again, except this time, they actually pulled it off.

Minnesota's Missing Votes (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124000875842430603.html)

During the contest trial, the Coleman team presented evidence of a further 6,500 absentees that it felt deserved to be included under the process that had produced the prior 933. The three judges then finally defined what constituted a "legal" absentee ballot. Countable ballots, for instance, had to contain the signature of the voter, complete registration information, and proper witness credentials.

But the panel only applied these standards going forward, severely reducing the universe of additional absentees that the Coleman team could hope to have included. In the end, the three judges allowed only about 350 additional absentees to be counted. The panel also did nothing about the hundreds, possibly thousands, of absentees that have already been legally included, yet are now "illegal" according to the panel's own ex-post definition.

[sandbagger]

no, Greg, more like Washington 2004, where it actually took 3 recounts for the Dems to flip the election to their candidate for governor.

excerpt from 12/31/08 WSJ, The Minnesota Recount Folly: We've Been Down That Road (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123068520570944301.html), describing the problems in Washington:
During the recount process, five counties found new, uncounted, unsecured ballots and added them into their totals. King County officials admitted publicly that ballot reconciliation reports were falsified in an attempt to conceal variations between the number of votes counted and the number of voters who voted (two elections workers were disciplined as a result).

By the end, 3,539 votes more than the number of voters who voted were tabulated. Four other swing counties provided an additional 4,880 mystery ballots. Ms. Gregoire was the victor by a margin of 133 votes.

That margin -- 133 votes -- happens to be the same number of ballots that Minneapolis election officials are currently missing.

..........

[HS345]

From the article you posted Art: In Washington's 2004 gubernatorial election, at least 1,392 felons illegally voted, 252 provisional ballots were wrongly counted, and 19 votes were cast from beyond the grave, according to Chelan County Superior Court Judge John Bridges's opinion in a case brought by Dino Rossi, Ms. Gregoire's Republican opponent. :D

[Old World Tile and Marble]

geeeeeez gueuze what have you started now

[gueuzeman]

I didn't start it, Norm Coleman did. Had he done any kind of a decent job, as an incumbant he should have been a shoo-in. The fact that Franken was able to even mount a campaign that did so well speaks volumes more about how poorly Coleman did.

Time to go frankengueuze a shower, :tongue:

whatever

[Davestone]

Okay, who is gonna keep track of what the genius does while he's in office?Report back on this thread in 90 days,unless he's lynched sooner.:D

[jgleason]

Dave, I expect Franken will be an automatic yes vote for whatever the Dems put forth. Maybe he'll surprise us and vote his conscience. I don't think we'll see him originating any major legislation.

[java]

D.C. is the perfect place for a comedian. The people already there (All parties) are comedians in their own right. I mean they're always smiling and laughing and telling me everything is under control and they know what they are doing. I'm just afraid the joke is on us.

But gueuze is right. Norm Coleman had 6 years in the Senate. If the people of Minnesota really thought he was doing a good job a guy like Franken wouldn't have had a chance. His victory says more about Coleman than himself.

And how can you not love Minnesotans for their what the heck attitude towards unconventional candidates.

[sandbagger]

His victory says more about Coleman than himself.yes to a certain extent, but you can't ignore the "Obama factor" - something nobody has mentioned. There is no doubt that Obama drew a lot of new voters who knew very little about anything except that they wanted to "be part of a historical moment."

Case in point - South Carolina. SC is one of those states that requires a runoff if nobody breaks 50%. Everybody figured that the runoff between Chambliss (R) and his Dem runner-up would be a squeaker - there were less than 3 pts between them in the general. Obama even throws his weight in against Chambliss. What happens? Chambliss wins the runoff in a 13-pt blowout. Guess the Obama glow wore off pretty quickly.

Does anybody seriously believe that Coleman wouldn't have given Franken a similar trouncing had there been a runoff like SC? :shrug:

[gueuzeman]

Yes, I'm anybody, and I think that the results of a runoff mi9ght have been much different in Minn. I think that the makeup of the electorates in the two states is highly dissimilar.

Wellstone vs. Helms, kinda different.

gueuze-

[Muddman]

That's right- SENATOR.

just came across this thread while perusing. I knew I always got a good vibe from you gueuzeman.:tup2:

I have loved watching Franken so far. He is acting like another Russ Fiengold or Bernie Sanders (my two favorite Senators), speaking his mind and not being afraid to tell the truth.

[gueuzeman]

http://www.republicansforrape.org/

.The party of NO at it again.

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[davem]

gimme a break

[Davestone]

I think there's an insanity connection.:bow:

[gueuzeman]

Dave and Dave- do you think that military contractors have the right to have employees sign away their rights to bring violent physical crimes to trial?

Perhaps you also think rape is best dealt with via binding arbitration. I could get your daughter a job with KBR. :devil2:

The only reason these people are against it is because Fanken is for it, and they get lots of campaign donations from military contractors.

Campaign finance reform, again, would go a long way in helping to solve this.

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[Shaughnn]

Honest Dave,
That bill that those 30 Republicans voted against was about as clear as it could be. All it called for was that the United States government would no longer contract with companies which *required* that their female employees sign away their legal rights to sue in the event that they are gang raped by their fellow employees. This isn't a hypothetical issue. Several companies currently contracting with the U.S. government, not just Haliburton, currently have this policy in place rather than providing that their female employees don't have to worry about being raped while at work.
So, these legislators voted to oppose "Senator Franken's bill" instead of considering the bill on it's own merits. Honestly, how can anyone justify voting to protect the corporate enabling of gang rape among it's own employees???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Leigh_Jones

Imagine that Jamie Leigh Jones was your own daughter, Dave. I have that's why I'm disgusted by these bastards for putting their Republican Party agenda above such a simple "no brainer" of a bill. If not for the kindness of the security guard who gave Ms. Jones a cell phone to call her father, who knows how long KBR would have kept her locked in that shipping container? A couple more hours? A couple of days? A week or two? Until she dropped all complaints?? Until she could be "found" dead outside of the Green Zone?
Shaughnn

[Davestone]

I haven't read the bill word for word,can't find it,but i'm pretty sure it wasn't because they were for rape as the website and some suggest.Probably had more with hamstringing companies,maybe if it were worded differently.:bow:

[Muddman]

I haven't read the bill word for word,can't find it,but i'm pretty sure it wasn't because they were for rape as the website and some suggest.

Of course not, the are just trying to make a point by going over the top. The only reason they are voting against this is their vote is owned by the people who pay for their campaigns, not the people they represent.

I have been following this bill closely. All it states is that contractors that are hired by the US for oversees operations must allow their employees access to US criminal courts. All it does is grant them basic rights that everyone that has a job in the US has.
After that poor girl was gang raped and kidnapped. KBR refused to go to court over the matter. They demanded that the matter be settled by an arbitrator that THEY PAY FOR. And guess what, that is common practice for oversees contractors, and guess who wins over 90% of the cases, thats right, the companies who pay the arbitrators salaries.
Why in the world would anyone want to deny a US citizen their basic rights to a fair trail in a US court?

[Davestone]

Well, we know all Democrats aren't for any special interests don't we?Let's chalk one up for Al,hopefully the bill will save some people and not just make it a lawyer heaven.Now that Al has few under his belt let's see what happens.:D

[sandbagger]

The only reason they are voting against this is their vote is owned by the people who pay for their campaigns, not the people they represent.or they are voting against it because it is a stupid bill that doesn't address the problem, but is another attempt by the Left to hit their favorite target - Haliburton. KBR refused to go to court over the matter. no, according to the Wikipedia piece, the DOJ refused to prosecute.

Apparently some of you don't understand a very basic premise of our legal system - you can not sign away your rights granted under the law. Oh, you can put the language in the contract, but it's not enforceable. That's Contracts 101. Why in the world would anyone want to deny a US citizen their basic rights to a fair trail in a US court? again, maybe you should ask the DOJ. From Wiki Further, on December 19, 2007, during Jones' testimony, Congressman Robert Scott (D-VA) stated that the DOJ "can enforce with respect to contractors who commit crimes abroad, but it chooses not to." Of course, the DOJ is now run by Franken's party. I'm sure that has nothing to do with why Franken isn't after the source of the problem. :stick:

[gueuzeman]

Art- don't cherry-pick your quotes TOO much-

From wiki- "Further, on December 19, 2007, during Jones' testimony, Congressman Robert Scott (D-VA) stated that the DOJ "can enforce with respect to contractors who commit crimes abroad, but it chooses not to."[16]

Moreover, Poe—a former judge—stated, in a recent interview, that the United States has jurisdiction over U.S. contractors in the following:

"Well, I agree with Brian that there is jurisdiction—that the United States government has jurisdiction of this case. As a former judge, I agree with him totally. The federal government needs to pursue it."[4]

Remember Democratic party congressman Scott was referring to the Bush controlled DOJ at the time.

And further reading of the wiki entry indicates that the DOJ has been subpoenaed to testify before congress in the matter.

Also, in the interest of bi-partisan abuse, Daniel Inouye, (Hawaii- Dem), has sided with the "Republicans for rape", no surprise as the state of Hawaii is a bit of a military welfare state, and I would not be surprised if his campaign contributors list showed him to be in their back pockets.

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[sandbagger]

Remember Democratic party congressman Scott was referring to the Bush controlled DOJ at the time. irrelevant. Check your calender, gueuze - it's 2009, and the "Bushies" no longer run DOJ. Still no prosecution. And you are skirting the issue, or maybe making it for me. The problem is the DOJ, not Haliburton.

Aren't you the least bit curious as to why Eric Holder is more interested in protecting the Black Panthers (Philly), protecting the Democrat party (Kinston, NC), and prosecuting the CIA grunts who were just doing their jobs than going after KBR? You'd think the rabid Left would cheer such a move.

[MudMaker]

Aren't you the least bit curious as to why Eric Holder is more interested in protecting the Black Panthers (Philly), protecting the Democrat party (Kinston, NC), and prosecuting the CIA grunts who were just doing their jobs than going after KBR?

I'll hazard a guess here.... NO? :D