Michael Jackson Dead

[tilerite]

This has been a week that won't soon be forgotten. First, Ed McMahon passes away. Then today, we learn that both Farrah Fawcett and pop icon Michael Jackson have also passed away. Unbelievable!!

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[Tilehelperdan]

:aparty2:

[LadyGodiva]

Dan, what's up with the balloons?

If Jackson is indeed dead (I keep seeing conflicting reports), he was still a person.

[tilerite]

MJ was a tortured soul. I felt bad for the guy.

[ceramictec]

wow, did I jinx him ? :eek:
http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=814685&postcount=7

I said is MJ next 45 mins ago.

I also see conflicting results but the news is showing it
all over the place and saying he is dead...weird.

[ceramictec]

First, Ed McMahon passes away. Then today, we learn that both Farrah Fawcett and pop icon Michael JacksonI guess the saying is so.....they go in 3's

[Dave U.K.]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/


what a sad day eh..?

[ceramictec]

and it's already a Circus outside of the hospital with people.

[tilelayer]

oh well....he had his problems.

[HotinOKC]

LG,

The balloons are there to celebrate MJ's life...... :dance: yeah....that's it.

[ceramictec]

oh well....he had his problems.Rick,
you liked staying at Neverland Ranch when you were young, how was it ? :D

[tilelayer]

you should know how it was we bunked up together.

[ceramictec]

Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:38 PM
CNN Breaking News -- Michael Jackson is dead, CNN confirms.

[jgleason]

The guy was definitely weird, I'm not sure any one that lived his life wouldn't have been though. Very talented individual, lots of good music over the years.

[LadyGodiva]

I loved his music, and was a great fan in spite of his weirdness. I focused on his musical talent.

He was such a cutie when he was younger.

[Tilehelperdan]

So, y'all are just gonna gloss over all that NAMBLA stuff?

[LadyGodiva]

Dan, he is DEAD.

What more do you want?

[jgleason]

Nope, not glossing over it but he went through the legal process and came out the other end. Was justice done? Got me.

[LadyGodiva]

He may very well have been innocent.

[Theold--scottyb]

Good news...

[Theold--scottyb]

:sick:O.J. was said to be innocent as well

[Tilehelperdan]

Yep, and that little boy guessed what his hoo hoo dilly looked like.

[ceramictec]

Yep, and that little boy guessed what his hoo hoo dilly looked like.

FYI: hoo hoo dilly (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoo+hoo+dilly&defid=635200)

[LadyGodiva]

They may have been opportunists.

Whatever happened or didn't happen, the fact remains now that Michael is dead.

Let him rest in peace.

[ob1kanobee]

Maybe a couple of the other folks will stop by and turn this into a political thread lol.

MJ was an easy target for someone to sue him. I'm no crazy fan but I think if he was a child molester there would of been many other children involved.

RIP MJ you will be missed by many!

[jgleason]

Judge not lest ye be judged.

[MudMaker]

Howdy Ben...
He was a really cute kid, and the Jackson Five was great during the Williams era, but then he grow'd up and turned into a freak.. Never could watch him after that.. Can't say that humanity has lost a great deal.. Now FF, that's differn't.. :(
Judge not lest ye be judged.

That's SOP here Joe, but it's called "opinions".. you know it's like :moon:.. everybody's got one.... :yeah:

[Theold--scottyb]

Oh I think Ive been judged plenty. He was nothing but a freak show at the end. Granted he had talent. but freak show none the less

[Davestone]

He and i had a lot in common.
1 We both like kids.
2 We are the same age.

[custombuilt]

Ok dave but I hope you don't have the way he liked kids in common:wtf:

Still said to see he's gone, they say they are investigating-- who knows

[John Corley]

Well, he was definitely wierd. But Billie Jean was a bad ass song and I'm going to let him rest in peace..

[TileArt1]

Billie Jean is a great song. I really like Cornell's version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0uWF-37DAM

[Crestone Tile]

Regarding Chris Cornell's recent tragic attempt at an album, he needs to unmake it.

Sound Opinions, CPR

[Marge]

Have had the TV on while working tonight and lots of coverage. With all the physical changes he made to himself, it was a real treat to see some of the performances from earlier in his career. He was amazing...seemed more excited to be performing then and was, IMO, more attractive and fun. And watching him as a youngster perform...what a talent. :)

[tilejoe]

We all know he was a freak, but he made some damn fine music. Glad he did that. And that's all I have to say about that.

[Hobbit]

Right you are Marge.....A tremendous talent that gradually was sidetracked and eventually became someone unrecognizable. Fame and money can do that.

What a week. :(

[gueuzeman]

I'm not sure what they are going to do with the body..

- they cant bury him 'cos plastic doesn't break down

- they cant cremate him 'cos of the fumes

- maybe they should recycle him into playground equipment so kids can play with him for once?

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what?


gueuze

[ceramictec]

so wrong, so wrong :shake:

[tilerite]

Rick,
you liked staying at Neverland Ranch when you were young, how was it

Don't be a wisenheimer, Bri!

[Beaux]

guez .. LOL.. good one

[Dave U.K.]

I'm quite surprised some of these comments have been allowed to aired on here...

A man dies and all peeps do is throw sick comments.

Spare a thought for his family..

[LadyGodiva]

Thank you Dave. Some folks don't get it.

RIP Michael.

[ceramictec]

Dave,

I guess it's a love/hate thing with MJ.

some people love his music and some people hate him as a
person when you hear about all the alleged molestation stuff.

one can only choose to like him or hate him.

A man dies and all peeps do is throw sick comments.don't go to Youtube and read some of the comments that are posting on
various videos. they are 5 times as worse as these

[Hamilton]

Whether you like MJ or not, he changed the music world and left his stamp
here. He will be a part of history like any other music legend. I feel bad
for his family. Helicopters over head with cameras "Bringing you up to date
with the latest!" Pics of his body being transfered.

RIP Michael

[ceramictec]

he changed the music world and left his stamp
here. He will be a party of history like any other music legend.without a doubt...right from the beginning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygiMay6ww_Y

[Saldibs]

No doubt MJ had an awesome talent only shared by a very few, no doubt he had become very weird in appearance, but love him or hate him, the only ones that can judge him are those that know the whole story and all the facts about him and his life, I very much doubt that that would include anyone on this forum. He has left his legacy which include some very questionable actions and deeds, but now he has faced his final judgment, what ever that may be.

[Levi the Tile Guy]

Granted he made music and changed the music world, but I can't and won't overlook the other stuff. Two separate allegations multiple years apart and he won the criminal cases but money can do that ask O.J. I don't doubt for a minute he was a sick and twisted human being. If he truly was innocent why didn't he spend all his time making sure he proved that to people. If I was accused of one of the most heinus things a grown man can do, dam straight I would do all I could to make sure that every single person that ever heard of it truly believed I wouldn't commit such horrible acts.

[LadyGodiva]

Easier said than done Levi. Some would say that the harder you try to prove something wasn't true, shows how guilty you truly are.

[ceramictec]

now this is really weird.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5nZcFIf3qc

[tilerite]

A man dies and all peeps do is throw sick comments

Welcome to America.:yo:

[kurgon]

Hey did you guys hear, since MJ is 99% plastic they are going to melt him down into Legos so that the kids have a turn to play with him.

[HS345]

OMG, that's a man baby!

[ceramictec]

Greg,

you didn't think they would let a real girl into the prison with 2000 guys ?
and from the looks of him maybe he doesn't mind :sick:

[HS345]

It was a joke Brian, you know, a story with a humorous climax. :D

I think it's still safe to say, "she doesn't mind". :sick:

[Dave U.K.]

Hey did you guys hear, since MJ is 99% plastic they are going to melt him down into Legos so that the kids have a turn to play with him.

This isn't the forum i once respected and thought it was....you allow these remarks..

[Theold--scottyb]

OH PLEASE............. You have 2 options. Dont read the threads that bother you. or delete you own account. No need to post that you want it deleted.

[ceramictec]

:corn:

[ob1kanobee]

:corn: Brian, if you don't mind I'm gonna eat some popcorn with ya............

[tilerite]

Dave
Jackson was a controversial figure. You're going to get negatives mixed in with the positives. Don't take it so seriously. We're all good people here.

[LadyGodiva]

Sure we're good people, so why those low, dirty type of comments? The man is dead for heaven's sake!!

[jjwq8]

Driving in to work this morning I was quite depressed. I appeared to be the only person on the planet that did not give a crap that MJ is dead. Then I get to the office and immediately discovered 2 people who share my ambivalence. Cheered me up no end :D
Get some perspective fercrissakes! He was simply an entertainer with a prodigious talent. He was not a musical genius. That would rank him alongside Mozart and that is an extraordinary leap.
His personal crap is precisely that.
If it wasn't for this preposterous culture of celebrity and fame he really wouldn't matter. He wrote and performed songs. That is the limit of his achievements. He did not discover penicillin, neither did he pioneer anything useful.
He is not irreplacable. He may well have been irredeemable.
Frankly who cares?

[ob1kanobee]

Jeremy, stop beatn around the bush and tell us what you really think. I don't like all this sugar coating..........................

[Crestone Tile]

Driving in to work this morning I was quite depressed. I appeared to be the only person on the planet that did not give a crap that MJ is dead.

:rofl:


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[tilerite]

Sure we're good people, so why those low, dirty type of comments? The man is dead for heaven's sake!!

I cannot answer that. Many think that Jackson was a child molester. I wonder about it myself. Maybe he was and maybe he wasn't. My sympathy for him comes from the fact that I believe he was a tortured, unhappy soul and mentally ill and was mistreated by his father. I'm not making excuses for his excessive lifestyle. Just cutting him slack in death.

On the other hand, I have great respect for Farrah Fawcett and how she handled the final years of her life. Its too bad her death is being over shadowed by Jackson's but considering how cruel the media was to her, she would probably prefer to be out of the headlines.

[Saldibs]

He did not discover penicillin, neither did he pioneer anything useful


Well that is debatable, I am no fan of MJ, but if you consider how much money the entertainment industry generates, how many jobs it creates and how much people seek out all kinds of entertainment then you might say that he did do something useful. He entertained us for decades inspired countless people to perform, and was loved by millions despite his weirdness. He was a public figure that was recognized around the world, he pioneered much of the music video industry of today. If usefulness is defined by making a discovery, inventing some kind of gadget, or helping mankind in some selfless endeavor, then he was unimportant. The number of people simply expressing their opinion about him would seem to indicate that he was more than just some entertainer.

[jjwq8]

Sorry. Not convinced. The music industry existed before him and it will not die with him. Way too much attention is paid to tawdry insignificance

[Saldibs]

much attention is paid to tawdry insignificance

If I were to do something, or die today no one but my family and friends would know or care, that makes me insignificant. MJ dies, the whole world knows about it and crowds gather to morn his passing, this is not because he was insignificant. He was who he was, love him, hate him don't care about him or what ever you may feel, insignificant is not the word to describe Michael Jackson. Millions of people would disagrees with you.

[jjwq8]

Dear God, i am getting caught up in this nonsense. Insignificance applies to what he has actually done of any real worth and that my friend is nothing. Feel good is feel good and it is passing emotion. Significance has no relation in this instance to making millions temporarily happy. Bart Simpson does the same thing.

[tilerite]

I agree with Sal. Like him or not, he was probably the most recognizable name on the planet. Nothing insignificant about that. Don't let hate blind you from reality. It is what it is.

[jjwq8]

I do not hate him. I could care less about him or his tawdry life.

[Saldibs]

Insignificance applies to what he has actually done of any real worth

If music has no real worth then you are right. By the way how many worthless songs do you listen to every day?

[jjwq8]

Oh lets see..........Everything that constitutes Rap so I would say almost the entire Billboard Chart.
And my car radio is tuned to BBC World Service. I actually enjoy some of MJ's songs, but i do not pop my cork when i hear them. Most Pop simply pisses me off. Audible bubble gum of no worth whatsoever.

[Saldibs]

Audible bubble gum of no worth whatsoever.

I think that you need to define "Worth". If generating millions of $$ is of no worth, creating thousands of jobs is of no worth, if bringing enjoyment to millions is of no worth, if inspiring others to imitate is of no worth then yes bubble gum pop has no worth, if that is what MJ did.

[ProStatusMattHD]

Never understood why people bash Micheal Jackson.

It doesn't really matter what music you listen to, you should be able to appreciate what MJ did for the industry.

He is no Mozart. But he created an album that spent 80 weeks in the #1 spot on the billboard top 200, won 7 grammys, produced 7 #1 hits, and sold around 65 million copies worldwide. And this was just one of his albums.

Sounds like he's done something of worth.

Jeremy - You cannot possibly know exactly how Micheal Jackson's music affected people. "Making millions temporarily happy" is a graphic understatement. Music is life to many people, and Micheal Jackson is music in every sense of the word. A good artist can change someone's life forever and I have the feeling Micheal Jackson has influenced a great number of people. In fact, as strange as it may sound, I know of two people personally who would not be who they were today if it weren't for Micheal Jackson's music.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion but comparing Micheal Jackson to Bart Simpson is a severe misunderstanding of what he really did. And someone with such a misunderstanding shouldn't be expressing these opinions on the situation for the same reason that people who don't vote have no right to complain about the president.

[Davestone]

:yipee:That tears it!!!!!!!!!!!!I have to agree with Jeremy.:bow::D:Now i gotta go finish puttin in my spark plugs...if i can find my Thriller cd.

[Theold--scottyb]

I can see it now. Ole Dave out in the driveway dancing to MJ..

[java]

MJ is and will always be the King of Pop.

To say he is insignificant is to say art is insignificant. Do you want to live in a gray prison walled world with no art? Life is all about art. Why do yoiu think people pay us to transform their bathrooms into beautiful spaces? We could just be out slapping up blanco 4x4 walls. No decos, no color.

MJ changed the world. Love him or hate him or just not care, MJ did change music and the industry as a whole.


RIP MJ.

[LadyGodiva]

Matt and Rick at least had something worthwhile to read and share about MJ. Thanks guys.

Jeremy, get back to work or you'll be :bonk: by moi :D

[Otis]

When Farrah Fawcett died and went to Heaven, God said he would grant her one wish. She wished all kids on Earth to be safe and sound. God immediately killed Michael Jackson.

[LadyGodiva]

It's unfortunate that he died the same day as Farrah because that took the attention away from her death. But, we were expecting hers, and not his, so therefore the shock of it caused the attention to be moved from her.

The little I got to "know" Farrah through her ordeal with cancer makes me think that she would not have minded.

[Theold--scottyb]

True to form. its turning into a circus. Hell the damn Doc. that was there has hired an attorney.. What a freaking joke.. Everyone keeps saying let him rest in piece, when is own family cant stop making asses out of themselves.

All the people with the comments about lettiing him be, might want to send them to his family.. Bunch of loones.

[ceramictec]

I'm seeing the outcome the same as Anna Nicole Smith.
he was being prescribed some serious stuff by "his" Doctor which killed him.

[tilelayer]

Ask a 10 year old child their opinion on MJ's death they will say good I hate him, ask an adult between 25-50 their opinion and most will say hes a music genius.

I think he was rude for outbidding Paul McCartney on the rights to his Beatles song and then selling it to Nike and he rubbed it in Pauls face during the bidding war oh and tried to sell it back to Paul after he bough it.

[ceramictec]

selling it to Nike ?

I thought he used 1/2 of it as collateral to Sony for a loan.


In 1995, Jackson merged the ATV collection with Sony Corp.- owned recordings to create Sony/ATV, said Jimmy Asci, a Sony/ATV spokesman. In 2006, Jackson gave Sony an option to buy half of his 50 per cent stake in Sony/ATV, allowing the singer to refinance $300 million of loans.

According to a lawsuit filed in 2002 by a creditor, he secured bank loans totaling $270 million two years earlier using both his Sony/ATV stake and the copyrights to his own songs as collateral.

Jackson lived an extravagant lifestyle, even as his commercial appeal dwindled amid damaging child-abuse allegations and changing music tastes. The Wall Street Journal reported in 2005 that his cash reserves ran so low earlier that year that he worried about paying his electric bill. The paper reported earlier this month that he had racked up about $500 million of debt.

[ob1kanobee]

If it wasn't for MJ I would of never had my parachute pants :moon:

[Theold--scottyb]

Parachute pants? I thought that was MC hammer?

[e3]

To me he was more like The New Kids on the Block then the Beatles.

[jjwq8]

Well there is a first for the forum. Dissenting opinions are not to be expressed.
Simply equating worth to an ability to generate huge sums of money is to oversimplify. Illegal Narcotics generate vast sums of money. Are they worth the price?
My simple point is that MJ, prodigious talent, prodigious record sales, prodigious debt, prodigious weird, prodigious sad is an individual who does not warrant this level of media coverage when there is so much else going on that really matters.
If it did not actually matter on a day to day basis to the rest of the world that he was alive, then it should not matter that he is dead. Do not ignore the death but do not raise it up to the point of sanctity and do not grant MJ plaudits in death that he did not earn in life. Note his passing and move on.

Walt Disney and Charlie Chaplin and countless others did far more to genuinely entertain the World. Their passing was noted without any attendant media feeding frenzy. Celebrity is becoming ridiculous. Anna Nicole Smith, Jade Goody in the UK. Individuals famous for being famous and with no discernible talent whatsoever and suddenly they are worth more dead than alive to the yellow press who pick over the bones of such carrion.
Paris Hilton recently pitched up in Dubai and like all pro-sports folks (I am graciously granting her home sex video the status of athletic achievement if not prowess) immediately referred to herself in the third person and as a product. QED

[java]

We get in Jeremy, you really didn't like the guy.

But how many people make a record that sells 65 million copies in a couple of years?

The guy made an impact in life, and not just for being a freak, and his death is making an impact also as millions, if not a billion, people around the world mourn his death.

Simple as that. Let it be.

[Shaughnn]

Jason,
I believe that "Let it be" is also one of those songs which Michael Jackson owned the rights to. Please send his heirs a dollar for your usage. :)
Shaughnn
PS: I consider this to be a copyright joke and not a Michael Jackson joke.

[jjwq8]

Sorry Jason but you do not get it. I liked a lot of his music. I simply do not believe his death warrants this level of coverage.

That said, this by Michael Thomas makes perfect sense:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/28/opinion/28thomas.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

[Saldibs]

Like it or not the level of coverage is determined by the level of interest. The level of interest is huge, thus the coverage.

[LadyGodiva]

So Jesse Jackson is acting as spokesman for the family? He's an irritating individual.:shake:

I guess he sees himself as spokesman for all blacks in this country?:confused:

[ceramictec]

I thought that was Al Sharpton :scratch:

[HS345]

I thought that was Al Sharpton

What's the difference? :scratch:

[ceramictec]

I believe that "Let it be" is also one of those songs which Michael Jackson owned the rights to. Please send his heirs a dollar for your usage.here is something explaining what is owned and not.

[java]

Shaughnn, I don't care how anyone feels one way or the other really. Don't take that the wrong way. I only mean I can understand why people feel how they feel about MJ. My post are only meant to respond to Jeremy really. He seems to posting his same point (ie. you shouldn't care MJ is dead).

Jeremy, I hope you don't take what I have to say the wrong way either. I just see some flaws in the logic behind your case. (ie. above). MJ is the best known musical singer in the world. Ever. Billions of people in every corner of the world know who is or was. And he is not known for the same type of reasons as Anna or Paris or anyone of that truly meaningless class of fame. MJ was loved for what he gave the world. His music and his performances.

Millions and millions of people around the world know all the words to all his songs. He was truly admired and loved and idolized. He was as big as it gets. If he is not tell me who is bigger.?

The article you post only proves my point. MJ's death was profound enough on the author's life that it moved him to write a heartfelt love letter basically to his brother in the form of a 3 page, 3100 word article. Explaining yourself with that article explains to me that your saddened in your own way somehow by MJ's death. Welcome to club.

[Hobbit]

Well, I can see that this event/non-event is polarizing people. Let me offer this as an attempt to provide perspective. :)

Media coverage of this event can not be used as a gauge of value (or interest). Sorry Sal, the level of coverage of this (or any other) event is not an accurate indicator. Remember, the viewers of TV or the listeners of radio do not pay the bills or influence greatly what is broadcast. This is determined by individuals or groups who forecast trends or make on the spot decisions about topics "of interest." The ability of these folks to predict what the viewers/listeners want is hardly noteworthy. If these folks knew what we wanted, TV shows would never fail (more than half fail during their first year). Advertisers who purchase airtime (and therefore pay the bills) do so based on their impression of the programming demographics. We express our approval (or disapproval) after the fact. So you see, media coverage can have little or nothing to do with the interest of the prospective audience.

A quick example: Everyone here should remember the media blitz that followed the death of Anna Nicole Smith. It went on for literally weeks and weeks. Why?? Was her death newsworthy? Probably, in the immediate short-term. Was it necessary (or even prudent) to continue the media onslaught for an interminable length of time? Definitely not. Is there anyone here who needed or wanted that much information, or appreciated the tremendous redundancy that occured channel to channel, program to program, day after day? I will go out on a limb here and say that the ones who followed that story long-term either have nothing better to waste their time on, or choose to live their lives vicariously through the events that occur in the lives of others. IMHO.

Understand this...I am NOT saying that MJ's death is not newsworthy. On the contrary, it certainly is news. BUT..the media blitz needs to subside. We don't need another media fiasco like the one perpetrated after Anna Nicole's death. Let those who desire to remember him as he was, do so. AND, those who choose to forget him should be allowed to do so as well. He was an artist, probably one of the best of his genre. Yes, music impacts lives. Yes, I enjoyed a lot of his music. And yes, he was controversial. But none of that matters now.

Nothing we can say or do now will lessen his impact on the music industry and the lives of those who follow it. That lot has been cast. Neither will anything we say improve his stature or reputation among those who cannot abide excesses or suspect him of criminality. We are all (including MJ) a product of our environment, and sadly, that is not always a good thing.

MJ is dead. His music will live on. It is too early to tell how he will be remembered historically, but he will not be sainted or canonized. Let's enjoy the music (or not...), grieve if you must, and move on.

:) :)

[Saldibs]

Howard Peacock, I agree and disagree with you. When crowds gather this indicates interest in an event or happening, if the media chooses to cover it then it becomes news whether it is worthy or not. True viewers do not pay the bills directly but they are the source of money for those that do pay the bills so it only stands to reason that those that do pay will pander to the interests of the viewers or what the perceive to be the interests. Some times they get it right some times they don't, often times they over do it, as in the examples you gave. So to some extent media coverage can serve as a gauge of interest.

[Kilauea]

To me,MJ died a long time ago-atleast the MJ I loved.Once the skin started getting lighter and lighter,and the nose started getting "ghoulish" was when he died to me.Billie Jean and Thriller had a huge impact on my life back in the day.Cant say that Im even sad for he had become something much different then the icon he was.

[jjwq8]

LICKSPITTLE, n. A useful functionary, not infrequently found editing a newspaper. In his character of editor he is closely allied to the blackmailer by the tie of occasional identity; for in truth the lickspittle is only the
blackmailer under another aspect, although the latter is frequently found as an independent species.
Lickspittling is more detestable than blackmailing, precisely as the business of a confidence man is more detestable than that of a highway robber; and the parallel maintains itself throughout, for whereas few robbers will cheat, every sneak will plunder if he dare.

[ceramictec]

CNN -- Michael Jackson's body will be taken to Neverland Ranch
in California for a public viewing on Friday, CNN has learned.

[LadyGodiva]

My goodness, his family sure aren't wasting much time getting their paws in everything. These are the same people that screwed up their kids, and now they're getting (at least for now), his kids? Lordy. Neverland is probably going to turn into a major theme park if his father has anything to do with it.

[Theold--scottyb]

Looks like Ole Mike left his father out of the will :)

[tilerite]

Michael s dad Joe, was the one that mistreated the children and deservedly was left out of the will.

[jjwq8]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07022009/news/columnists/shed_no_tears_for_this_twisted_sicko_177187.htm

nuff said

[LadyGodiva]

So Joe can't get his paws on anything? You did me proud MJ:tup2:

Why are people rushing out to buy DVDs and CDs? It's not like there will be a shortage of his music in the not to distant future!!:noid:

[LadyGodiva]

What a sad Memorial service :(

RIP Michael.

[sandbagger]

and another $4 MILLION+ California doesn't have. :wohoo: :wohoo:

[Lazarus]

Ed McMahon died this week. He was a great entertainer, but prior to his stage accomplishments he was a distinguished Marine Corps fighter pilot in WWII earning six Air Medals and attaining the rank of Colonel. He was discharged in 1946 and was later promoted to the rank of Brigadier General in the CA Air National Guard.


Farrah Fawcett died this week after a long career in Hollywood as an
actress. After she was diagnosed with cancer, she became an activist for cancer treatment and devoted her last remaining years encouraging people to seek treatment. She documented her plight on film and used it to encourage others to stay positive and upbeat despite their diagnosis and suffering.


Michael Jackson died this week. He was perhaps one of the greatest
singers of modern time. He will also be remembered for his eccentric
lifestyle that included sleeping with a chimpanzee, living in a carnival-like atmosphere at Neverland, his fascination with Peter Pan, and his numerous masks and costumes. He also admitted to finding pleasure sleeping with young boys and paying out millions of dollars in settlements to the families of these boys despite being acquitted by a court on one allegation of sexual molestation.


QUESTION - Which of the above did the House of Representatives declare a moment of silence. (Hint - It wasn't the first two.)


QUESTION - Which of the above families received a personal note of
condolence from President Obama? Hint - It wasn't the first two.)


Need there be more said??

[sandbagger]

heaven forbid that the Commander-in-Chief should even hint at glorifying a war hero. :usflag:

At least not this C-in-C.

[e3]

to me musicly, MJ is more of a Peter Framton. A huge LP that captured the time .If you took Thriller away from him ,he would be just another pop star from the 80s.He was NOT Elvis,James Brown,The Beatles,Frank Sinatra. More like Madonna , or Prince.From a VIDEO/MTV standpoint his timing was perfect , without MTV I dont think he would be anything more then the little kid from the Jackson 5.

[LAN1870]

He was a humanitarian and an awesome entertainer and that's all that matters to me. I don't care about his personal lifestyle.

RIP Michael. You won't be forgotten.

[pooky]

produced thriller

all micheal jackson commentary aside, quincy . . . -- "brilliant" . . .

. . .that is all

[LadyGodiva]

Listening to his daughter was so sad, so very sad:crap::(

Too young to have left this world, really too young.

[ceramictec]

CNN News -- At memorial service in L.A., Michael Jackson's daughter Paris says he was "the best father you could ever imagine.":wtf:

CNN News-- Michael Jackson's golden coffin is placed in front of the stage as his memorial service gets under way in Los Angeles.:wtf:

Among those conspicuously not in attendance were Elizabeth Taylor, Ross and Debbie Rowe, Jackson's ex-wife and the mother of Jackson's two oldest children.:wtf:

what a waste of tax payers dollars:nod:

[LadyGodiva]

"Motown founder calls Jackson the "greatest entertainer that ever lived"

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

[java]

I get your point Laz.

But you know, I don't think congress should have a moment of silence for MJ, FF, or EM. Nor do I think any of their deaths necessarily warrant a letter from the President. The fact that MJ's death was acknowledged by congress or the Pres. is not a slight to FF or EM. It just goes to show the way people were/are obsessed with MJ.

I understand the media attention and attention in general given to his death. He was the biggest pop star on the planet plus the worlds most well traveled freak show.

[e3]

reminds me of my old favorite Tee shirt--- "SID was VICIOUS"

[ceramictec]

I think it's just a popularity contest and who could sit on the front row and who could show they cared and be popular.

[ob1kanobee]

I always sit in the back row, me shy! I don't care if the back is reserved for the elderly.....................

[tilerite]

Leave it to Al Sharpton to inject race and elevate Jackson well beyond what he really was. What a friggin joke. The guy was a tremendous entertainer but outside of that, he was a freak show who squandered millions and millions of dollars on stupid, unnecessary material things and behaved at times, in an inappropriate manner with children. We are a screwed up people, us Americans.

[Bill Vincent]

This shows you that something is seriously wrong with our country.



Ed McMahon died this week. He was a great entertainer, but prior to his stage accomplishments he was a distinguished Marine Corps fighter pilot in WWII earning six Air Medals and attaining the rank of Colonel. He was discharged in 1946 and was later promoted to the rank of Brigadier General in the CA Air National Guard.



Farrah Fawcett died this week after a long career in Hollywood as an actress. After she was diagnosed with cancer, she became an activist for cancer treatment and devoted her last remaining years encouraging people to seek treatment. She documented her plight on film and used it to encourage others to stay positive and upbeat despite their diagnosis and suffering.



Michael Jackson died this week. He was perhaps one of the greatest singers of modern time. He will also be remembered for his eccentric lifestyle that included sleeping with a chimpanzee, living in a carnival-like atmosphere at Neverland, his fascination with Peter Pan, and his numerous masks and costumes. He also admitted to finding pleasure sleeping with young boys and paying out millions of dollars in settlements to the families of these boys despite being acquitted by a court on one allegation of sexual molestation.



QUESTION - Which of the above did the House of Representatives declare a moment of silence for today?
(Hint - It wasn't the first two.)



QUESTION - Which of the above's family received a personal note of condolence from President Obama?
(Hint - It wasn't the first two.)



Need we say more??

[LadyGodiva]

This is such a tear jerker. The child obviously loved her father deeply, and her feelings came across so naturally. Poor thing :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8139564.stm

[silvercitytile]

hey bill.. laz beat u in on that one post 110:cool:

[ceramictec]

he was a freak show who squandered millions and millions of dollars on stupid, unnecessary material thingshttp://www.malibufanclub.com/images/mjj/oxygenchamber.jpg

[jjwq8]

$h1t!
You mean that wasn't an episode of Americas Got Talent???? Come on....had to be.......Judges in Fancy dress, hugs after each act.....
Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap. I could've been watching a Boston Legal re-run.

[tilerite]

Need we say more??

Nope!

[pooky]

do you like the fat elvis or the fifties elvis??

in the end, that'll be the question about MJ as well --

Do you like the "ABC" Mike or the "Thriller" Mike?

Remember how weird Elvis was?

Bottom line MJ has had a profound impact on our culture and music --
he is an icon, he is a legend, and we all share that commonality.

Strangely enough he is a part of our collective mythology that makes us,
well, American --good or bad, it is what it is:yo:

[tilerite]

Thank God Paul McCartney has aged gracefully.

[e3]

"Bottom line MJ has had a profound impact on our culture and music" --


The same could be said of Mark David Chapmen.


Key thing, with MJ is "king of POP"! I never cared for POP..how many of you ,that think he is king, are over 35 years old?

[LadyGodiva]

Brooke Shield's piece was very touching.

I'm over 35. And he was the King of Pop :)

[Bill Vincent]

Court jester, maybe.

And I might be just a "tidge" over 35. :D

[CRB]

"Farrah Fawcett died this week after a long career in Hollywood as an actress. After she was diagnosed with cancer, she became an activist for cancer treatment and devoted her last remaining years encouraging people to seek treatment. She documented her plight on film and used it to encourage others to stay positive and upbeat despite their diagnosis and suffering."

...well said re Farrah Fawcett. Much loved star of our childhoods. In the UK with the timing lag, the morning newspapers led with FF's passing - MJ got the next days press...and much since of course.

[LadyGodiva]

I think it had a lot to do with the shock factor in MJ's death though. With Farrah we were expecting to hear that she died. It was simply a matter of time with her.

I wonder if MJ's family will allow the autopsy results to be made public?:think:

[ceramictec]

AP, Jul 9, 2009 5:00 am PDT

Los Angeles spent $1.4 million to provide security, traffic control and other services for Michael Jackson's memorial service, city officials said as they looked for ways to have others help the financially troubled city pick up the bill.

The amount included $1.1 million in overtime pay for the 4,173 officers who worked to secure Staples Center, Forest Lawn cemetery and other areas that attracted fans and members of the media, the Police Department said in a statement.

City officials said Wednesday that the remaining amount covered traffic control, cleanup and other costs related to Tuesday's public memorial service, which was attended by a total of more than 17,000 fans and watched by tens of millions of people around the world.

Matt Szabo, a spokesman for Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, hailed the tally a success. He said it was "far less" than the initial estimate of $4 million.

Nonetheless, city attorney Carmen Trutanich said his office was investigating how the city can legally press third parties to pick up at least some of the tab.

Trutanich aims to have a report ready for the City Council by Friday, said spokesman John Franklin.

The city has also set up a Web site urging fans to make tax-deductible donations through credit cards, PayPal or check to help defray costs.

Fans have thus far donated $17,000, but contributions have been hampered by technical problems, Szabo said in a statement.

The site received so many hits that the servers crashed Tuesday night and several times Wednesday, Szabo said. The city's information technology department is working to rectify the problems.

Anticipating about 250,000 people would converge on downtown streets for the service, the Police Department deployed 3,240 officers starting at midnight. When only about 1,000 fans showed up, police brass let about 1,000 officers go early.

AEG Live, the owner-operator of Staples Center, has not committed any money to the Jackson memorial, which it organized and promoted. Company spokesman Michael Roth did not return messages on Wednesday.

City Controller Wendy Greuel called on the City Council to create a policy declaring who should pay for city services associated with such events.

In a letter to the emergency management department, Greuel criticized the nearly $49,000 expense for police officers' lunches, which were ordered from a restaurant located 80 miles from Los Angeles.

Greuel said her office called a local sandwich shop that could have provided box lunches for less than $17,500. The purchase would have had the added benefit of supporting a local business, she said.

The Jackson memorial was the second recent event that resulted in extraordinary costs at a time when the city is a half-billion dollars in debt and facing employee layoffs.

Last month's victory parade for the NBA champion Los Angeles Lakers cost an estimated $2 million.

AEG Live gave $1 million to the city for that event and other private donors stepped in.

[java]

I wonder just how many millions L.A. and Cali. gained from MJ in taxes and just business in general.

Seems pretty petty to me to whine over a measly 1.4 mil when one of your best tax payers dies.

Screw L.A. and screw Cali.

[Crestone Tile]

I like Cali ... going in a couple weeks.

[java]

I like Cali. too. Half my family lives there and I have been many times.

But you couldn't run a state in the ground any faster then the jerk politicians of Cali. have done.

Rolling blackouts, water shortages, gangs in control of entire towns, and the state so far in the red it's writing IOUs.

I like the location of Cali.

[Hamilton]

Turns out MJ will be temporarily entombed at Barry Gordy's family mausoleum. This is the same project I worked on in this thread: http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=60317&highlight=mausoleum&page=2 The story is located here:http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20287787_20290579,00.html

In some weird way I feel like one of the pyramid builders. I'll never be known
for my work, but right now I can say I have had my hands all over that place
he is resting now. Major trip.:)

[ceramictec]

Screw L.A. and screw Cali. I like Cali ... going in a couple weeks. Jason, your supposed to say ..."screw you too!"...:lol2:

[Hamilton]

http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=31546&highlight=mausoleum&page=124 Pics of the Gordy family resting
place start at post #1853 If you haven't already seen this. Yes, thats a big
G on the medallion :cool:

[ceramictec]

By Ben Montgomery, Times Staff Writer

Bubbles the chimp won't be at Michael Jackson's funeral today.

He won't emerge from the Staples Center wings wearing tiny overalls or moonwalk through the hot lights or cheese chimp-like for the cameras.

In fact, Bubbles doesn't even know Michael Jackson is dead.

No one has told him, and there is good reason.

Bubbles lives 2,600 miles from Los Angeles, at the Center for Great Apes in Wauchula. He is 26 now and he makes his home most of the time in a giant enclosure surrounded by native ferns, banana trees, water oaks, hibiscus and Florida maples. He has access to more than 4,000 feet of elevated tunnels connecting geodesic domes and large enclosures. He paints and watches television and gives piggy-back rides to smaller chimps, and when a woman comes each Sunday to play soft music on a recorder, he seems to enjoy it. He digs peanut butter out of bamboo shoots and sucks on frozen hemp milk and munches on mangoes and sweet potatoes and grapes.

He is a chimpanzee again, and if you don't mind, his caretakers would like to keep it that way.

http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00075/a4s_bubbles070709_b_75196c.jpg
http://www.tampabay.com/multimedia/archive/00075/a4s_bubbles070709_a_75195d.jpg

[Shaughnn]

Take your props, Jack! You've earned 'em. :tup2:
Shaughnn

[Albert]

what i wanna kno is did they grout'em or caulk'em in his casket? i dont know witch one is less likeley to leek or get moldy.

maybe they shooda wrapped him inna anticrack membrane too.

maybe itsa question for the pros

albert

[Crestone Tile]

Kerdi Board

[Albert]

edna liked how he wore that glove so he woodnt pick his nose. she said i shood try it. butt i wont.

albert

[Dave Taylor]

Didn't I see sumpin where Eric talked about supplying NobleSeal® TS, NobleSeal® CIS Crack Isolation Sheet and NobleSeal® SIS Sound Isolation Sheet??

Just kiddin'. :think:

EDIT:
Hmmm.... Albert..... thet glove may never work for you. Are you a right or left handed nose picker?

[Albert]

i pick my nose wiff the hand that aint scratchin my butt.

albert

[jjwq8]

I don't believe the autopsy results will ever be made public for fear of proving that the X Files are true. MJ and Joan Rivers are Silicon based alien life-forms.

[Albert]

dont go around confusin silicon and silicone...

albert

[Rd Tile]

Who does Michael Jackson consider a Perfect “10″?



Two 5 year olds.

[Albert]

"A-B-C
its easy as 1-2-3
do-re-mi
two 5 year olds and me
just wate and see..."

albert

[LadyGodiva]

Not sure if what I heard on Telemundo is correct, but they were saying there is a possibility of a Joe Jackson putting together a Jackson 3 with MJ's little ones? Hope this is not true!

Anyway, La Toya looks a lot like MJ, doesn't she? You can see the resemblance between these three. Maybe the used the same plastic surgeon???:idea:

[Albert]

i think they is seporated at birth. bill clinton probbly got-em both.

albert

[ceramictec]

CNN Breaking News -- Police search the office of Michael Jackson's doctor,
Conrad Murray, for evidence of manslaughter, Murray's lawyer said.

[LadyGodiva]

If this man is guilty of anything, I hope they take him down!

I can't get over a doctor giving up his practice to move around with MJ. Weird.

[ceramictec]

updated 1 minute ago

CNN Breaking News -- Michael Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, administered
a drug that authorities "believed" killed Jackson, a source says.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/27/michael.jackson/index.html

[Rd Tile]

Who cares, he probably asked for it and paid a good amount to have a traveling dealer by his side.

[LadyGodiva]

Brian, thanks for the update. Regardless of what MJ asked for, a doctor with any sense at all, should be able to say NO! Why the heck wasn't he in practice somewhere? Easy money I say.

[jjwq8]

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Died

[LadyGodiva]

Thank goodness MJ's doc was black. Can you imagine if he had been surrounded by white folk? A white doctor? Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be out there screaming racism!:bang:

I find it so sad that MJ needed drugs to sleep to the point where it killed him, yet Farrah Fawcett was fighting for her life. Too sad.

[Bill Vincent]

What I find sad is that as much as she did to try and bring cancer to the forefront, she was literally yesterday's news by the next day, and all you heard (and STILL hear about) is this freak of nature pedophile who never did a damn thing for anyone that wasn't in HIS best interest.

THAT'S sad.

[LadyGodiva]

You know a lot about MJ as fact Bill? Good on you.

All I know for sure is that he started looking freakish, and acted weird. But I never got into that side of MJ and preferred to focus on his musical ability.

Anyway, Farrah's death was imminent, but MJ's was not. His was sudden, hers we were expecting. No shocker there. I was never a Charlie's Angels fan, but her death and her struggle with cancer saddened me.

MJ was clearly a bigger "celebrity" than she was. He also had many more fans than she had. Plus there are so many mysteries surrounding his death. These would account for why the death of her news went by so quickly and his hasn't. Actually, had he died this month instead, I doubt very much we would have been revisiting her life all that much.

Look at Elvis and Marilyn Monroe. You still hear about them and even have sightings all the time!!:D

[tileguytodd]

WOW...Micheal Jacksons DEAD AGAIN??????

I Thought this was OLD NEWS ;)

This could go on Longer than the OJ Trial :D

[Bill Vincent]

You know a lot about MJ as fact Bill?

Todd, funny you should mention OJ. I was just going to bring him up myself. Eli, using your reasoning, I would tend to say that this country gave OJ a raw deal, being that he was found innocent in court. MJ got the best justice that money could buy.

[jjwq8]

Clearly the problem is gloves. Figured big for both OJ and MJ. JESUS H CHRISTMAS!
I could be next. JJ

[LadyGodiva]

This is so touching. MJ with his kids.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/2560221/Stunning-footage-shows-Michael-Jackson-and-his-kids.html

[ceramictec]

CNN Breaking News -- Dr. Conrad Murray "did unlawfully, and without malice,
kill Michael Joseph Jackson," District Attorney's Office charges.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/08/michael.jackson.charges/?hpt=T2

[Rd Tile]

Who cares, have to blame someone.:yawn:

[LadyGodiva]

Bill, spoken like a "true" Christian ;)

This doctor was clearly not following his oath.

[miss piggy]

Oath, be damned, he was following the money and then tried to be like J. to raise Lazeruz from the dead. :cry: ps, so I can't spell, you all know who I mean.

[MudMaker]

Pat.. do you use Mozilla or Explorer?