Obama's gun ban list!

[Shooter]

Alan Korwin
www.GunLaws.com
Friday, March 13, 2009

Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America http://www.gunlaws.com/gloa.htm

Forward or send to every gun owner you know…
Watch This, If You Want More Proof:
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3p2lLmjGk

A partial list of gun rights groups:

Gun Owners of America
http://gunowners.org/

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership
http://www.jpfo.org/

FREEDOM=GUNS
http://www.tcsn.net/doncicci/freedom.htm

National Rifle Association
http://www.nra.org/

Second Amendment Committee
http://www.libertygunrights.com/

Second Amendment Foundation
http://www.saf.org/

Second Amendment Sisters
http://www.2asisters.org/

Women Against Gun Control
http://www.wagc.com/

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[Jim Farrell Tiler]

apart from hunters and target shooters and collecters only the crims have guns here even our police force isnt armed

[sandbagger]

a note on Holder. A couple of weeks ago we got to hear Jon Kyl speak at our Lincoln Day dinner. It's pretty much the only GOP event like this we attend, but being so early in the year you get to socialize without such a heavy campaign focus you get in later events.

In the Q&A Kyl was asked why he voted to confirm Holder while rejecting Geithner. The answer on Geithner was simple and blunt, "He lied to me." But the answer on Holder was very interesting. Kyl interviewed Holder (in Kyl's office) and went through a list of very specific questions on several subjects, with a lot of focus on 2nd Amendment and the War on Terror. He told Holder he was taking the notes and keeping them in a file. He said he was actually pleased that Holder not only gave pretty direct answers, but in his (Kyl's) opinion the answers were good, and probably the best they were going to get from an Obama appointee.

That said, Kyl also acknowledged that he had doubts about Holder's willingness to cross Obama, but at least he knows it will be a very bad day on the weekend talk show circuit if he crosses Kyl..

[John Bridge]

Jim, you live in a representative form of government like we do. You, the people of New Zealand, must have allowed that to happen. ;)

It's the same in Canada, too. In essence, they voted to disarm themselves.

The difference between our country and the rest of the English speaking nations is that we are the only one with a written constitution that sets out the rights we retained when we set up our federal government. That's what we're trying to defend at the moment. :)

[sandbagger]

also England and Australia... :nod:

[John Bridge]

Yeah, I thought someone had already mentioned them. Maybe not. England in modern times has always been a little strange on the issue of private arms -- sort of like Germany, France and some of the other countries on the Continent. When I was over there back in the sixties you had better not get caught with a pistol in any of those countries.

But the people in those countries never did define their basic rights in a formal document, and a lot of things were left up for grabs. I think that's the primary reason our founders spent so much time framing documents. I am, of course, very glad they did. ;)

I'm saddened that a few of my good friends on the forums consider our experiment a failure. It's still ongoing. It hasn't failed yet. Let's get behind it and push it back to the forefront. :)

[Levi the Tile Guy]

Not good at the internet and can't find a link, but I heard on the Glen Beck show FNC a month or so ago the Il. Is trying to pass a law that would require gun owners to have 1 million dollar liability insurance just to own a gun. Insurance that would cover negligent or willful acts. This is absurd, it would virtually make it to expensive for the majority of people to own arms. And just like all other gun control laws they aren't gonna make any difference at all to the criminals, they can buy any gun easier, and cheaper than the people that deserve to have them. Well here is a conservative article about it, not the clip I was looking for though.

http://rightsoup.com/gun-insurance/

Jim, I thought I saw police officers carrying around rifles in the airport when I was in N.Z. I was told that was because hand guns were illegal in N.Z. This was either 16 years ago or 12 years ago I don't remember on which trip it was.

[HS345]

Is anybody really surprised by this?

B.O. has been anti gun/second amendment from the word go. Check out his record.

[MHI]

Greg, its just another Obama stimulus plan. Gun sales are through the roof, and the economy will benefit.:D

[Levi the Tile Guy]

A friend I know has been building his own for years, just preparing for this day.

[Shooter]

Levi, I also work on and build rifles (mostly the evil black type) for others. Getting parts now is the big problem. :mad:

[John Bridge]

I can't vouch for the validity of it, but a gun shop owner here in Houston told me the manufacturers are holding back, afraid they might be put out of business and end up with a large inventory. I'm sure that would account for the shortage of parts for "evil black type" if what he said is true.

I don't think he's right, though. I know for a fact that people are buying and hoarding ammo. I think it must be the same for parts. :)

[ddclay]

We have lots of guns in Vrginia, everyone is stocking up on ammo and some stores are running out.:tup2: :usflag:

[muskymike]

No prollem gittin ammo here or guns. Prolly cuz no one has any money to buy one.:lol2:

[Brad Denny]

My granddad is stocking up on reloading supplies. It's a great idea if you can get them at a decent price. It also makes you shoot better. When you think of the time you put into making it, you make every shot count. :D

[Davy]

Reloading supplies are hard to find here. I have a friend that reloads, he says he can't find gun powder.

I went to my local Walmart looking for 45's, they had 10 boxes that morning, sold out by 10 am.

I then went to a Acadamy Sporting goods, new store, second day they were open and they had everything except 380's.

[Shooter]

I can't vouch for the validity of it, but a gun shop owner here in Houston told me the manufacturers are holding back, afraid they might be put out of business and end up with a large inventory. I'm sure that would account for the shortage of parts for "evil black type" if what he said is true.

I don't think he's right, though. I know for a fact that people are buying and hoarding ammo. I think it must be the same for parts.John, I am more inclined to believe it is more along the lines of what you are saying and not what your gun shop guy is saying. I know a few people in the business, both large companies and small aftermarket manufacturers and they are having a hard time just keeping up with demand. People are indeed hoarding, guns, gun parts and ammo. They are very very afraid of this administration, and it is looking like it is for good reason.

[HS345]

Have you guys heard about this?

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers. (http://www.theshootist.net/2009/03/dod-ends-sale-of-expended-military.html)

I guess the B.O. admin has backed off of this because of public outcry, but don't think this kinda stuff is going away. :shake:

[Shooter]

They are probing and hitting on all fronts. It is clear what this administrations intent is. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool or an idiot, or one of them. If they cannot get our guns, as mentioned they will make it too cost prohibitive to shoot them.

[Big Mike]

I called every store in CT, including Wal Mart and checked out many internet sites, Cheaperthandirt, midway, cabelas, etc.

None of them had .380 ammo!

[John Bridge]

Hold it now.

"Anyone who says otherwise is a fool or an idiot, or one of them."

You know my position on this, but that type of remark doesn't further the cause. What it says is that anyone who tries to argue with your position is a fool or idiot. That's not how we operate here. We try to hold the door open. ;)

[jvcstone]

website where I have been buying 7.62X39 in thousand rd lots has been "temporarily" out of stock for three weeks now. The one website that does have some available is asking more than twice what I had been paying for the same stuff. Look at it this way, ammo just might be a hedge against inflation just like gold and silver in the coming months (years).

JVC

[Dave Taylor]

JV said:...ammo just might be a hedge against inflation just like gold and silver in the coming months (years).
Prolly not John....... if some folks have their way and have ammo with a "shelf life" mandated. :think:

[Crestone Tile]

The ONLY current reason that guns and ammunition are flying off of the shelves and increasing in price is due to high demand provoked by a mentality of "Oh my god, our guns are going to get taken away!!!". A mentality spurred on by emails and blogs with "leaked" information that "you must tell everyone you know before the world ends!"

Matt - Pro gun ownership, anti-rhetoric, anti-paranoia, anti-NRA (and former member).

Hey, I have the right to bear arms ... where's my RPG that the U.S. Constitution states I have a right to own?




:uhh:

[Bill Vincent]

Matt-- some of this might be what you might call paranoia. But like someone in here's signature line says, just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me. Make no mistake. You lie down, and you won't have a choice about whether you're pro gun or not any more. Or pro freedom of speech. Or pro-alot of other things, as well.

Is anybody really surprised by this?

B.O. has been anti gun/second amendment from the word go. Check out his record.

Here's his record:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm


Hey Shooter, by any chance, do you have any link to the proposed draft legislation, who is writing and trying to sponsor the legislation?

[Davestone]

Paranoia huh? How about this Army memo outta Ft. Campbell about POW..

[Bill Vincent]

Dave-- that's nothing new. When I was in during the late 70's, not only my ship's command, but the base command also had to aware of any and all weapons that were not government issue on their premeses. Only difference was on the ship, they KNEW where the weapons were, because they were all locked in the ships armory, and had to be signed out and in. Ain't no democracy in the military!! :usflag:

GO NAVY!! :D

[Davestone]

But this is off base.

[John Bridge]

Dave, I hate to tell you, but way back when I was in privately owned weapons had to be locked in the company armory. You could not keep them off-base. I think it must have been that way when you were in, also.

Bill hit on it. You have very few rights in the military. NOW SUCK THAT GUT IN, SOLDIER!!!

:D

[Project_Pat]

I'm in Phoenix.....many of the floor levelers and tile tradesman i know here are big gun enthusiasts.....the ammo situation is just like others have said from other parts of the country.

Bass Pro Shops has SOME ammo in stock here.....Walmarts and gun shops seem to have a difficult time stocking the popular calibers like 7.62x51-39
.223 , .45 and 9mm

Peoples feelings here are its only a matter of time before this administration goes after the second amendment.

[Marge]

Pat, I'm also in the PHX area :wave: and the lack of available ammo is a topic of conversation around here.

[ob1kanobee]

Any ideas why they would want to take away individuals guns and ammo?

[HS345]

Ben, surely that is a rhetorical question. :lol2:

[LGB]

FYI- the DOD reversed their order to mulilate brass. They received enough complaints to reverse it within a day. You can still get once fired military brass.

[Marge]

I scored three of the four types of ammo we use (and paid too much). A matter of good timing at a local outdoor store. Got there just as a truck was unloading what they think may be their last shipment for a few months. Stood in line behind folks that had been called ahead of time and got to pick through the leftovers for some .22 / .38 / .45's. Just couldn't get any 9mm.

[muskymike]

Glad we don't have that prollem here. Yet. :uhh:

[Bill Vincent]

Here, either, thank God.

[Jim Farrell Tiler]

we had a situation a couple of years ago where a gun shop owner was robbed by a drugged up crim with a machete (big mothering knife/slasher) took a loaded pistol from under the counter and shot the guy. THE GUN SHOP OWNER was charged with unlawfully using a weapon, eventually got off the charge in court. Another time a farmer in a isolated rural area confronted three gangmembers stealing his quad bike one of them went for a rifle in their vehicle the farmer shot him with his rifle and he died, he was charged with murder, many times people here defending themselves end up on the wrong side of the justice system

[John Bridge]

I think it's that way in a lot of places, Jim.

In Texas you can use lethal force (gun/knife/large rock) to defend your life or someone else's life when there is a direct threat. If a person comes after you or someone else with a weapon that can kill or maim, you can shoot them.

You can also use lethal force to protect your property. This one is a little gray. If someone enters my house uninvited at night they're going to get shot, but I would have to think long and hard before shooting someone for stealing something off my property when there is clearly no threat. Technically, though, you can shoot the person.

This is one thing that separates us from our friends and relatives to the north. In Canada it is illegal to possess a gun or any weapon intended for self-defense or the defense of others. Once when crossing from New York State into Quebec I was asked if I had any pepper spray. I had a really tough time composing myself and replying, "No, sir." :)

[Westie]

When I went to the US to pick up my boat the US border patrol asked if I had any guns. I replyed no, and then thought that he might not let me cross into the US unless I had a gun. :lol2:

[Jim Farrell Tiler]

he may have had some for sale:lol2:

[Shooter]

Isn't Texas still issuing guns at the airport to those who arrive without one? :lol1:

[John Bridge]

Actually, Texas has some fairly strict laws. You can't carry in the open (except on your own property), for one thing, like you can in Arizona and other western states.

I think they ask all Canadians whether they have guns just to piss 'em off. :D

[Westie]

I think he just wanted to trade me a couple of guns for some good beer.:cheers:

[HS345]

Westie, are you sure that border patrol agent wasn't asking "got any gum"? :lol2:

[John Bridge]

. . . and where would you be coming by any "good beer"? :D

https://www.wegmans.com/prodimg/011/500/088573331011.jpg

[ddmoit]

That looks good, John. They shipped a fair amount of that up to my part of Michigan last summer. I did my part to encourage them to do it again.:yummy: