Have you noticed?

[John K]

Have you noticed as you read through the "prayer List" that cancer is the most prevalent disease? Far out weighing any other affliction.

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[Crestone Tile]

... and there's sound biological reasons associated with our Western diet for that. :bow:

[gueuzeman]

Joe Jackson song on Youtube, " Cancer" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDsqZKgeMck&feature=related)

"Everything, everything gives you cancer. There's no cure, there's no answer."

It's good for business, and if they cured it, think of all the doctors and such that would be out of work and not be able to afford cool tile jobs! I actually worked for a doctor who said he didn't want "them" (there "they" are again) to find a cure for 15 tears until he retired.

I grew up in a GE town, and they poured carcinogenic PCB's into the Hudson river for years even though they knew how bad it was, and stopped doing so the day it became illegal, after fighting the law for years. Guess who makes all kinds of great MRI machines? That's right. They got you coming and going, like Dr. Seuss's sneeches on the beaches with the stars on thars.

All right, time for me to take the dog out for a smoke. I'm gonna poop on the side of the driveway.

gueuze

[MHI]

Isn't there another thread on how overpopulated the world is?:)

[silvercitytile]

where matt. put a link ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. :lol1:

[John K]

It is true that our diets play a big role in cellular mutation, which leads to cancer. The interesting thing is doctors treat symptoms v.s treating cause. And this is nothing against doctors.

Now granted, by the time you have symptoms it can be far advanced. And a typical response is chemo and radiation. Some cancers respond to a healthy immune system and can be kept in check, but others hide and the immune system can't recognize the threat.

Back to the diet. Here is the part I don't get. I have known people who ate everything under the sun, smoked three packs a day and are into the seventies and it seems like nothing can kill them. Then there are those who are reaching the summit in their lives, like Tony Snow, and they get taken out. Oh, and don't forget. Not to sound like a pessimist. But when the doctor says " we got it all", look out.A billon cancer cells can fit on the head of a pen. So, usually when it comes back, and it does. Its with a vengence. :cry:

[sugarbeth]

I believe heart problems are the most common - but they tend to kill you off quicker than cancer does. No time for prayin'.

[John K]

Beth,

Its called Sudden Cardiac Death. I piece of plaque breaks loose and blocks a main artery and your dead before you hit the ground. Ex. Tim Russert

[John Bridge]

Don't want to high-jack this thread, but I wonder if Tim Russert was on high-dosage Vitamin E. I've taken 800 units daily for over a decade and have reversed the symptoms of coronary artery disease. The real problem is "free radicals" in the blood stream. Free radicals have an adverse effect on plaque, and Vitamin E controls free radicals. In fact, I have eliminated all symptoms and reversed the blockages.

But cancer, that's a very nasty affair. I've lost two brothers to that mess.

[John K]

John B,

Yes "free radicals" definately play a big role in heart disease and cancer. Another is "inflammation". John I hope your not taking a statin. And congrats on the reversal of your coronary artery disease. :bow:

Another thing that a person can do if they suspect that they have coronary artery disease is get a 64 slice CT scan. Not all hospitals have this machine. So you have to research for one in your area. :)

[ddmoit]

What's your take on statins, John K?

[John K]

Dan,

I don't like them. I was on Lipitor for about six months, and it about finished me off. It caused muscle aches from hell. Which didn't set well with tile setting.

From what I have research. They deplete your muscle of CQ10, and the heart is a muscle.. :)

My doctor argued that it has an anti-inflammatory capabilities which reduces inflammation and plaque. Inflammation causes oxidation, thus plaque is born. :)

[Crestone Tile]

Hey John K,

I think statins are great for people who are unable correct elevated cholesterol through diet and lifestyle changes alone. The anti-inflammatory role that statins can offer is argued by some as being more significant than the cholesterol lowering action they possess. However, in a small percentage of people using the drug, they can be dangerous by causing something known as rhabdomyolysis which is the breakdown of muscle tissue and the subsequent release of myoglobin into the bloodstream. If severe and untreated, this can cause renal failure ... BAD.

It's good you stopped taking yours. :)

[ddmoit]

I'm skeptical of statins. It seems to me that they take you cholesterol down, and then you die anyway.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4068052092994.htm

http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi79.html

[sugarbeth]

My FIL couldn't do statins - was totally debilitating with the muscle pain. But my own dad did real well on Lipitor, and some other cholesterol drug...Zetia, I think it was, I have to check. "Well" is kind of relative though - his cholesterol is great, most of his coronary arteries are only about 50% blocked, which is apparently great for a 67 year old, according to his doctor. But he still got one artery that was 90% blocked and they had to put stents in. He's lucky that they found it when they did.

He learned that it's not always cholesterol. You get old and calcium builds up in those arteries too and blocks them up.

[ddmoit]

He learned that it's not always cholesterol. You get old and calcium builds up in those arteries too and blocks them up.According to some things I've read, it's hardly ever cholesterol. Calcium is the main culprit. Additional reading suggests that some antioxidants - without reducing the amount of LDL - render it benign.

I hate to sound too much like a conspiracy nut, but I think the pharmaceuticals have had way too much influence over the FDA and the AMA. Some of those fancy statins are around $3 a pill.

[John K]

Dan,

I agree! There is big money in treating the symptoms verses treating the cause.

Beth,

In my opinion. I wouldn't accept 50% blockage as ok. My FIL dropped dead at 62 with similar blockage! If I were you. I would research, chelation therapy, probably oral. I doubt he would sit with a I.V in his arm for three to four hours. You can get Lecithin granules from drdavidwilliams.com. That's where I buy my vitamins. Lecithin slowly softens plaque and dissolves it.

Chelation is faster. That may be better for your father. By the way, is he on a statin and blood pressure med?

Oh! One more thing. I am not a doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. :)

[John K]

Here is some info on cancer, should anybody be needing to seek additional info and or methods. It also explains about causes.

I wasn't going to post this because of it being a grim and depressing subject, but if someone, or knows of someone, who has slim chances of survival. Then this info may be a benefit.

If you look in the recent news. You will see a photo of Patrick Swayze gaining weight after suffering with Pancreatic cancer. A previous photo taken back in march or april. Showed clear signs of being sick. If you dig a little deeper you will see that he is "juicing" and possibly other alternative methods in conjunction with what his oncologist suggests.

"That's all I got to say about that" :) www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/causes.html