John McCain

[ddmoit]

I hope you Republicans like this guy as much as the Democrats do. If this poll is any indication, it looks like he'll be president.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- A sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination. This is particularly true for Hillary Clinton supporters, more than a quarter of whom currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee.

To me, this seems like a continuation of the Rove strategy: Get a guy elected under the Republican label, even if you have to sell the soul of the party.

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[Scooter]

I'm voting for McCain, but I'm not sure which one. :scratch:

Is it the guy that abhores special interests, or who accepts telecom money? :scratch:

Is the guy that refuses to get in bed with the religious right, or who has a love fest with a Racist Reverend? :scratch:

Or is it the guy that wants fiscal responsibility and would vote down an irresponsible tax cut, or the guy that wants to make them permanent? :scratch:

Is it the guy that pledged not to take private money and use public financing, or the guy that is loading up with private money and refusing public financing? :scratch:

Maybe the Bushies can tell me which John McCain I am voting for?

[MudMaker]

Or is it the guy that wants fiscal responsibility and would vote down an irresponsible tax cut, or the guy that wants to make them permanent?
What part of the Tax cut where people get to decide how to spend their own money, is irresponsible??

[HS345]

Frank, Haven't you heard? The government knows how to spend your money better than you do, silly. Duh. :yeah:

Here's to the lesser of three evils.

Vote McCain in 2008, or die.

[sandbagger]

Haven't you heard? The government knows how to spend your money better than you do, silly... I haven't been able to find it, but I'll keep looking for this quote. Back when they started predicting "surpluses" under Clinton (they were always a myth) someone asked Clinton about a tax cut. His response was typical Democrat - "I would, but people might not spend it in the right place." :bang:

[MikeyL]

Is this the quote?

In a post-State of the Union speech in Buffalo, NY on January 20, 1999, Bill Clinton was asked why not a tax cut if we have a surplus. Clinton's response:
"We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' "
Source: Washington Times, January 21, 1999

copied from here (http://www.gargaro.com/clintonquotes.html)

[Scooter]

I'm still not sure which McCain I should vote for, the one who opposes tax breaks for the rich or the one who supports them? :scratch:

“I just thought it (the tax cuts) was too tilted to the wealthy, and I still do,” Mr. McCain told Stephen Moore, a member of The Wall Street Journal editorial board, in an interview published on Nov. 26, 2005.

Should I vote for the McCain that did not want to overturn Roe v Wade, or the one that does? :scratch:

McCain was quoted in the August 20, 1999, San Francisco Chronicle saying: "But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."

Help me out here guys, I really want to vote for McCain, but I'm not sure which one I'm voting for?

[kate42]

:) Help me out here guys, I really want to vote for McCain, but I'm not sure which one I'm voting for?

Scooter

I know I'm not a "guy", but here are my feelings on the current presidential race.

You now have three choices. You vote for John McCain, or the democratic nominee, or you do not vote at all.

You ask "who is the real John McCain?" Only John McCain knows.

Where do you truly lean? Are you a Liberal? Are you Conservative? Or maybe you are in Middle.

Deep down, after analyzing all the political BS, you , hopefully will find the answers.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to go by my instincts, wherever they take me.

:) :)

[Scooter]

You ask "who is the real John McCain?" Only John McCain knows. Then he needs to tell us which John McCain he is.

[kate42]

Then he needs to tell us which John McCain he is.

I wonder if he knows.

[Scooter]

Good question.

Say what you want, but the Constitutional Right to an abortion is not an opinion which one takes lightly. One's opinions on the decision are formed fairly early in life and its not something one conceivably can have epiphany about.

So when he says, he's in favor of Roe v Wade in 1999, my question to him would be-- isn't his recent convert to a pro life stance a flip flop, and why the change now (other than to get elected)? Was he lying then, or is he lyinig now?

So I'm not sure what John McCain is really about. Are we electing a President that gives lip service to his pro-life stance? Or did he really undergo a deep seated conversion to pro-life in 2001?

My personal suspicion is that John McCain is the same fairly liberal, often independent kinda maverick that we knew in the 90's, and that he realized in 2001 that he has to placate the far right with "read my lips, no new taxes", pro-life, and honoring the far right Pat Robertson/John Hagee whacko/racist Reverend crowd. In other words, I think he is lying now.

I wish I knew. :confused:

[kate42]

I wish I knew.

You're not the only one.

[Mountain Tile]

I think I'll vote for both John McCains, Not crazy about the guy, but Barack and Hillary scare me. :)

[MudMaker]

I'm gonna vote for the lesser of the three Liberals
No real big decision here

[kate42]

I think I'll vote for both John McCains, Not crazy about the guy, but Barack and Hillary scare me

I'm gonna vote for the lesser of the three Liberals
No real big decision here

See, Scooter. The guys are trying to help you out. :):)

[Scooter]

So Chuck and Frank--

Was McCain lying in 1999 or is he lying now? Which John McCain is he?

Put less controversial, do you really think is pro life? Pro Tax Cut? Pro Religious Right?

[MudMaker]

Scooter..
I haven't a clue... There is a lot of pressure on him to become more Conservative than he presently is, but we all know about Campaign promises..
I do know that I've changed my position on Abortion.
I still feel though if I had to pick between the life of my wife and her unborn child, there would be no hesitation for me to make a decision.
McCain is still not Conservative enough for me, but I can't see the other two helping in any way...

[Mountain Tile]

Both, the guy is a flip, flopper no doubt. But if Mickey Mouse were running against Barack and Hillary, I would vote for him. If there were two Mickey Mouses I would vote for them. I just love how Hil and Barry are tearing their party apart. They are willing to tear up their own party for their own gain, just imagine what they would do to the country. :shake:
Woop, gotta go, I think some sniper bullets just wizzed over my head. :rolleyes:

[HS345]

Here ya go Scooter, throw a dart.

[Shooter]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs

Vote McCain.

[tilerite]

But if Mickey Mouse were running against Barack and Hillary, I would vote for him.

Amen to that, brotha!!!

[tilerite]

Yesterday, Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfried's wife, made an appearance at Forsyth Tech Community College, where my wife happened to receive her nursing degree last year. Thats a bit too close for comfort, for me.
Today, ole Bubba himself will be campaigning in the Winston-Salem-Greensboro area. On Wednesday, it was Mr. Obama trying to sell votes to the locals in Greensboro. Funny thing, North Carolina was not supposed to be relevant in this years election due to the lateness of our primary.
My guess, Obama will take the state.

[HS345]

The video linked by Shooter, should be evidence enough for anyone with half a brain, to disqualify Barry for the presidency.

Obama-rama's naive antics are truly frightening, this moron could actually become president of the United States, astounding. :sick:

Vote McCain in '08 or die.

[MudMaker]

Obama-rama's naive antics are truly frightening, this moron could actually become president of the United States, astounding
:bonk: :crazy: :bonk: :crazy: :bonk: :crazy: :bonk: :crazy: :sick: :bonk: :sick: :sick:

I don't think the Libs really know how bad things could be if he ever did get elected..

[ddmoit]

Obama-rama's naive antics are truly frightening, this moron could actually become president of the United States, astounding.But somehow, a McCain presidency is certain to be better. Delusional. :shake: Does anyone really know what a McCain presidency will be like? Does McCain know?

I look at the current 3 front-runners and I see - among other things - three global warming stooges. McCain might be the worst of them.

[kate42]

Frank:wave:

What really scares me is Barack's appeal to younger voters.

However, if history repeats itself, younger voters do not vote in great numbers when it counts

[kate42]

Does anyone really know what a McCain presidency will be like? Does McCain know?

Probably not. IMHO it will all depend upon the political structure of Congress

[sandbagger]

Thanks, MikeyL - I do recall that it was in Buffalo that Clinton told us that Big Government know best.
Say what you want, but the Constitutional Right to an abortion is not an opinion which one takes lightly. Say What, Scooter? Could you please point to Article and Section where I can find this "opinion?" You can't, so please stop trying to derail the discussion with silly claims about "Constitutional rights." :rolleyes: :blah:

Look, McCain is McCain, and it's pointless to get into the weeds on his positions - present or past. If you've read any of my posts on earlier discussions on candidates you know McCain was not my first choice. That's OK - that's how our system works.

What is important is to understand that for the first time in many cycles there is a going to be a very clear and profound difference between the candidates of the two parties. :yeah:

[Scooter]

OK, so I guess the consensus is that McCain is indeed a flip flopping liar on a number of scores and no one cares. I feel much better now.

As for younger voters, may I point out that when I went to war in 1968, the hit was "Eve of Destruction" which states:

"You’re old enough to kill, but not for votin’”

At that time, the minimum age at which one could vote was 21, but in many states one could buy beer when they were 18. What was up with that?

I think the young are the biggest asset of this nation, and the more they vote and get interested in current events, the better. We need them now more than ever.

[kate42]

OK, so I guess the consensus is that McCain is indeed a flip flopping liar on a number of scores and no one cares
Liar? A very strong word.
So, let's be honest. They all lie. A long time ago I stated I have no confidence in politics. I saw too much backroom politics. It will always be the "Same ole S@#t.
I think the young are the biggest asset of this nation, and the more they vote and get interested in current events, the better. We need them now more than ever.

As a so called senior citizen, I do not believe that the young can truly appreciate my needs.
Where are the young of 40 years ago promising change? They discovered money, just like today's young will.

[Scooter]

In the 60's we promised change and we accomplished a lot.

We promised civil rights. Blacks couldn't vote when I was in high school. Now we have one running for President.

We promised ending the Viet Nam war. We accomplished that too. By the way, when I left Viet Nam, we were still winning, so don't blame me.

We promised to take care of senior citizens, and we've kept the Republican wolves at bay--so far, but they keep coming up to the door. The system should last for a minimum of another 20 years.

We promised women's rights, and we have them in corporate board rooms and running for President.

We promised a more tollerant legal system for drugs, and marijuana in small quantities is now legal in most states. Medical marijuana is gaining ground. :loaded:

We had three liberal leaders assasinated: 2 Kennedies and King, and we finally got some marginal gun control. More is needed.

I could go on, but the typical response to all these hopes and dreams was, "America, Love It or Leave It," e.g., deal with the status quo or move out.

My response was America, we love it and want to change it, and no I'm not moving out--I'm voting. We had some set backs, an actor got elected President. Sigh. But the young will be your future. Embrace them.

[HS345]

Scooter, you never cease to dismay me.
You're a revisionist historian extraordinare brother.

[Scooter]

I'm glad I amaze you.

Me too.

[HS345]

Smart @** :D

[MudMaker]

I think the young are the biggest asset of this nation, and the more they vote and get interested in current events, the better. We need them now more than ever.
If you not a Democrat when you're young you have no heart - if you're not a Republican when you're old you have no brain... :)

[sandbagger]

actually, I think it goes more like "liberal at 20, conservative at 40," but close enough.
However, if history repeats itself, younger voters do not vote in great numbers when it counts just ask John Kerry. College-age voters are the least dependable. College-age Democrats aren't worth counting.

And like Greg, I'm amazed at Scooter's revisionist history - he's missed a career as a fiction writer. Truly amazing.

We promised civil rights.... and Senator Everett Dirksen (Republican) got enough Republican Senators together to help LBJ pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964 We promised ending the Viet Nam war.... and Nixon made it happen. And when the North reneged on the treaty the Dems refused to allow Nixon to live up to our end and the war was lost. We promised to take care of senior citizens,..." and dissolved the SS "Trust Fund" so that LBJ could fund his "guns and butter" Great Society. We promised women's rights, and tried to shove the ERA down our throats. America realized the stupidity. We promised a more tollerant legal system for drugs, and today's junior high schools are rampant with drug problems. and we finally got some marginal gun control. More is needed. Liberals hate the Second Amendment - nothing new here. but the typical response to all these hopes and dreams was,... more like liberal fantasies. we love it and want to change it, into a place radically diferent from anything our Founding Fathers could ever have envisioned. Pardon us if we don't buy it. :shake:

[kate42]

Art

:goodpost:

[davem]

Kathleen,
:goodpost:

[Scooter]

John McCain and the "Straight Talk Express".

If you want "straight talk" and "no spin" then this is must see video

McCain: Straight Talk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI)

[ddmoit]

Apparently not every kook is a Ron Paul fan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqQYHBUlfg0&eurl=http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2376486561

(warning: some foul language)

[HS345]

So Dan, which guy is the kook? The guy who got robbed, or the wannabe "anchor" man that is happy about someone getting drugged, and robbed?:wtf:

[sandbagger]

I don't get it. I'm supposed to learn something from a youtube video of an unknown person from an unknown source? :scratch:

[tilerite]

Just got my absentee ballot today. Who needs long lines?

[ddmoit]

George Will (http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/will092308.php3) doesn't seem to be a fan.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.


It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

[ceramictec]

George who ?

[ddmoit]

Are you serious, Brian? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Will)

[tilerite]

I concur with Brian; George who? This guy has not written a relevant opinion since, well, I'm not sure that he ever has.

[ddmoit]

That's interesting, Rick. I don't presume that you speak for them, but I wonder if conservatives believe that dis-owning George Will is one of the contortions they must perform in order to vote for John McCain.

[tilerite]

I can't answer that since I'm not a conservative, Dan. I just don't like George Will's ramblings. He tends to repeat the same old "Bush is bad' drivel over and over and I rarely see anything new and relevant from him.

[sandbagger]

George Will is not one to criticize anyone for being inconsistent. The irony is that Will is a whole lot like McCain - a conservative who likes to rankle conservatives just for amusement. :rolleyes:

[Shaughnn]

Art,
Or perhaps George Will is a Conservative who resists the false-conservative mantle which the present administration parades around? He doesn't like "your guy" so somehow he's not credible? How very familiar that sounds? :shake:
Incidentally, it seems now that John McCain is trying to postpone Friday's debate "to focus on the economic crisis", while at the same time rushing blind and sweaty in the firestorm of an historical bailout??? Seems to me that someone knows that he's gonna get his clock cleaned and wants more time to find some way of denying his record and distancing himself from his own economic advisers.
Combine that with the sequestering of his vice-Presidential distraction and it appears that Mr. McCain's campaign is running short of shiny things to throw at the masses? I've already got my TIVO programmed to record the debates, if Mr. McCain decides to borrow Sarah's balls and hold the debate after all. :corn:
Shaughnn

[tilerite]

McCain is in trouble.

[Shaughnn]

I just thought that a little humor might cut some of the tension. Last night, I blew scotch out of my nose with this punchline.
Enjoy!
John Oliver and John Stuart discuss Legacy (http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=185196&title=President-Bush%27s-Legacy)
Shaughnn

[tilerite]

I would watch it but I cannot stand this guy.

[sandbagger]

how so, Rick? If you're referring to the new WaPo poll you might want to look behind the numbers. The biggest reason for Obama's "bump" is that WaPo changed how they weight the scoring of voters and turnout. They decided for some unknown reason that fewer GOP voters will turn out this week than last week. :scratch:

in the meantime, McCain heads back to DC to do what he (and Obama) is paid to do - work. Obama? After turning down all of McCain's prior debate challenges, Obama decided that Friday's debate is suddenly more important than being a Senator. Of course, if Obama goes back to DC he might actually have to take a stand and even vote. And I don't believe the Senate will accept "present." :lol1:

[tilerite]

Art, O Reilly spewed off about 8 different polls today and all of them showed a sharp surge by Obama over the same polls taken 1 to 2 weeks ago.

[Shaughnn]

Can't stand George Bush? John Oliver? George Will???? Say what you like about John Stuart, but he wouldn't have the career or the celebrity he does now if it weren't for the ceaseless stream of mock-worthy newsiness which oozes out of our capitol. They will be crying great big blue tears when George Bush and his clown car roll out of town,unless,....

[sandbagger]

my viewing of O'Reilly really started tailing off a couple of years ago when he started trying to prove how "independent" he was. His rants about CEO pay, oil company conspiracies, etc have gotten to be a bit much.

again, national polls don't mean a lot since we don't elect on a national vote. Ed Morrissey (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/24/wapoabc-poll-check-the-sample/) explains how WaPo/ABC played with the weightings to get a new result. As some have already noted, the sampling in this poll could explain why. In the raw numbers, the poll sample consists of 38% Democrats and 28% Republicans. This doubles the actual spread on party affiliation, last surveyed by the more-reliable Rasmussen at 38.7%-33.6% D-to-R. When the WaPo/ABC poll takes leaners into account, the spread gets even more pronounced: 54-38. That suggests a rather strong bias towards Obama, and an almost insurmountable hurdle for McCain.

In contrast, the spread was smaller on 9/7, when McCain had a two-point edge. The base number gave an eight-point advantage to the Dems, but only a nine-point advantage with leaners. That’s a seven-point shift in two weeks within the sample, which would certainly account for a large shift towards Obama. Certainly Obama could be expected to get a bump in something like this, but I still maintain that the bad news for Obama is that it's still September - plenty of time for a complete reversal. I believe we saw the start of that reversal today when Obama fumbled McCain's call to suspend the campaigns and return to Washington. Obama wants to lead? Leaders don't say, "if they need me they'll call." McCain was clear and decisive, leaving Obama stuttering in his wake. If the deal gets done (and it will) there is a very good chance that McCain will get much of the credit when the markets rally over the next few weeks.

Judge for yourself. McCain takes 3-1/2 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gqTf37-MGc

Obama spends over 10 minutes wandering through a rationalization that spends most of the time telling reporters how it was all his idea. The long version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9PGP3m2hSo

or the condensed version: http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=c346a0f2-cd86-4cd1-b96e-8cd41c65271b

[ceramictec]

I do like Jon Stewart as a comedian and how he delivers his shows.
he has found his click.

as long as he doesn't get like that idiot Dennis Miller...his voice is annoying !

Stephen Colbert is just about boring too.

[HS345]

Hey, don't be bad mouthin' my boy Dennis now.:gerg:

[ceramictec]

he still annoying ! :tongue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAiO12EDeI

[oogabooga]

Watched the presidential debate, man that McCain is one monotonous old codger :yawn:......... oh, and if he mentions General Petreaus one more time I'll :cry:

Rob

[MudMaker]

Didn't like Dennis with his snide remarks commenting on football, but love his rants about Liberals.... :)
Don't diss ma boy Dennis... :)
Oh.. did ya catch every time Barry mentioned success in Iraq it was Petreaus, and every time failure in Iraq was mentioned it was George Bush???? :lol1:

[Shaughnn]

I was disappointed that both candidates avoided Jim Lehrer's attempts to get them to engage each other, in a more traditional "debate" style. I was also disappointed that neither candidate would commit to Jim's question of which of their "plank programs" would be the first on the chopping block if the economic necessities required that level of drastic measure. I guess I was hoping for a more candid exchange, considering the dire atmosphere we're in presently. John McCain seemed a little frantic for me to be comfortable with and Barack Obama seemed a bit too mild-mannered to leave much of a lasting impression.
I hope that the next debate is more substantial. We've got a very little time to sort this out and these "un-scripted" debates SHOULD be a rare glimpse behind the curtain instead of just an opportunity to collect more sound bites.
Shaughnn

[sandbagger]

Frankly, I found some of the expressions on Lehrer's face far more entertaining than most of the debate. :lol1:

[Shaughnn]

Art,
There were times I thought that Mr. Lehrer's dental work might slip out of his mouth. Between his annoyed perseverance and his blank-dark eyes it was hard to tell if he was enjoying himself or not.
Shaughnn

[ddmoit]

McCain appears to be conceding Michigan.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_Michigan.html?showall

I personally won't miss the junk mail and TV ads.

If McCain is not faring well in economically troubled areas, he might really be in trouble.

[ddmoit]

This post is in response to Jack's post (http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=712411&postcount=317) in the Youtube thread. I couldn't bear to pollute that thread with political commentary.
___________________________________________________________________

"Predator lenders"? Which party is she from again???

Every time she says, "John McCain", I'm reminded of little kids talking about their dads.

My dad said... My dad is gonna...

Actually, her own positions are very likely better than McCain's. But she is handcuffed to McCain's positions now, and they're not that easy to keep track of. It's not like there is an underlying principle to fall back on that helps you get to McCain's positions.

I also think that the decision to tape Katie and Sarah walking as they talk is bizarre and distracting. What's the point of that?

[Hamilton]

Sorry about that Dan, I should'nt be polluting that thread either with political vids. I am curious to see how Palin fairs against Biden tonight. Katie Couric
makes her nervous enough to trip her up on her game. I have a feeling Biden
is going to take her to school. Although I am no longer in favor of either party
I find this whole situation like a bad train wreck and I'm unable to not pay close attention.

[ddmoit]

Train wreck is right. Biden is a bit of a gaffe master himself. I remember him dropping out of a presidential race several years back because of plagiarism in his speeches. Then he went through a weird hair-plug (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1j0FS0Z6ho&feature=related) stage. Still, I expect Sarah to be way out of her league. The bad thing about debates is that there is a difference between being right and being a good debater.

Still, I will watch for as long as I can stand it. Train wreck, indeed.

[MudMaker]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here Dan and say that Sarah is gonna kick some ass.. That's if she's allowed to do her own thing... :)

[ddmoit]

Frank, I will wear a "Sarah Palin kicks ass" T-shirt from now until the election if she manages to get McCain kicked off the ticket.:)

[Hamilton]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here Dan and say that Sarah is gonna kick some ass..

Watch this video Frank. She sure is a pretty lady and has a nice personality.
She will do ok if she has been studying the names of news magazines while
practicing her debate at McCains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyoafptEm5c

[ceramictec]

magazine names don't mean crap in the big picture, she just shouldn't pretend she knows or heard something.

this is what they mean when they say she should "be herself" and not try to pretend she reads magazines she doesn't know about. if she doesn't make things up, she cant get caught.

this is worse then Biden pretending his Helicopter was "Forced Down" in Afghanistan.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/22/biden-misleads-al-qaeda-forced-his-helicopter-down-afghanistan-w

Wow. Forced down was it? Biden says this as if it were some attack that forced his helicopter down, doesn't he? However, immediately after that September 10 campaign stop, it came out pretty quickly that Biden's helicopter was not forced down by enemy weapons fire. No, it was a snow storm in the mountains that "forced" the aircraft down and then only because the pilot thought the better decision would be to err on the side of safety. He had generals and Senators in his craft, after all. You can imagine how nervous the pilot was in that case.

I guess they all talk out their http://i35.tinypic.com/25qq82g.jpg.

[Shaughnn]

I have an Uncle who forwarded this today. If this is the quality of argument that the McCain campaign has left in it's arsenal, then they have already given up the race. Wow! It's just boggling how things like this get put into type instead of allowed to drift off into oblivion like oh-so-many ridiculous notions. :rofl:
Shaughnn

Subject: President's Pension
>> For the Bean counters..From a financial perspective...
>> A President's pension currently is $191,300.00 per year, until he is
>> 80 years old.
>> Assuming the next president lives to age 80, Sen. McCain would
>> receive ZERO pension as he would reach 80 at the end of two terms as
>> president.
>> Sen. Obama would be retired for 26 years after two terms and would
>> receive $4,973,800,000.00 in pension. (read it carefully as it is $4
>> Billion)
>> Therefore, it would certainly make economic sense to elect McCain in
>> November.
>> How's that for non-partisan thinking?????

Jack,
I watched much of the Katie Couric interviews and I was immediately reminded of Mary Carey's campaign for California governor. Sarah Palin just strings along senseless words while she scrambles for something that "sounds" relevant, or she dismisses questions with a cutesy eye-roll. If she were running for Miss Alaska again, that would probably be fine enough, but she's completely out of her depth in a national campaign. Watching the footage of her debate for the governorship of Alaska, I was reminded that Alaska has a ratio of men to women of something like 5:1 (depending on the season). That right there is enough to get a pretty smile elected over someone with sound policy positions. In that debate, I liked the Independant candidate Andrew Halcro.

[HS345]

Not sure who did the math on that one. I guess it could have been McCain, he can't send emails you know.:rolleyes: That probably means he can't use a calculator either.

[MudMaker]

She will do ok if she has been studying the names of news magazines while
practicing her debate at McCains.

Now Jack.. What she wanted to say is "Why should I read any of the Liberal Rags that are published by News Papers" ? They get it wrong most of the time and have an agenda besides....

Nope, that one don't hold enough water for me to take an aspirin with.... :lol1:
Catty was condescending by talking down to her, and she really deserved to get a Good Answer, but Sara was playin nice... :)

[oogabooga]

Watching that Jon Stewart show on Palin had me laughing my ass off. She's like a female version of George W. - a few cans short of a sixpack in the brain department.

Rob.

[Shaughnn]

Frank, Is that really what she meant to say? Fascinating? Did someone from her staff call you up to tell you that or did you pluck it straight from her mind?
"Talking down to her?" Couric was trying to draw out some insight into who Sarah Palin is and what her policies might be. When Palin failed to be able to answer some standard questions, she was kind enough to toss her softballs, which Palin dropped also. "What do you read to keep yourself aware of world events?" Fer crying out loud, she could have said "USA Today" and "Newsweek", and the question would have been answered without controversy. Instead, she floundered on even something that simple? If Katy Couric was "talking down" it was only in an effort to try to reach Sarah Palin's capacity to answer a question.
Shaughnn

[HS345]

Speaking of talking down.:rolleyes:

[ddmoit]

Hey, members of the conservative base,

Did John McCain give you anything to cheer about last night?

There was plenty to boo. Here's some...

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081008/D93M1JEG1.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing a $300 billion program for the federal government to buy up bad home mortgages and allow homeowners to keep their houses.

McCain said: "Until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."

In an unusual step, McCain announced the plan during Tuesday's debate. He said that as president he would direct the federal government to purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage providers. The loans would be replaced with fixed-rate mortgages, ostensibly at a loss to the government.

"Is it expensive? Yes," McCain said.Aren't conservatives usually against rewarding irresponsible behavior?

And the bit about stabilizing home values could not be more wrong. Government exercises in artificially inflating prices and wages is exactly what caused the Great Depression to last 16 years.

I know, I know.... lesser of two evils. What if your choices are Hitler and Stalin? How far do you take this lesser of two evils strategy?

[ddmoit]

Here's another question for the lesser of two evils crowd:

Ron Paul vs. Barack Obama

I think Ron Paul could have done better with the conservative base.

If Obama wins, it might be said that a vote for McCain in the primaries was a vote for Obama.

[Shaughnn]

Dan,
When Senator McCain broke out of the gate with that proposal, I knew just how desperate his campaign had become. He wants the government to spend taxpayers money to buy up all of the foreclosed properties and adjust the principle owed to current market values, with the taxpayer sucking up the losses?!? If a Democrat had suggested anything like that the Right would have had the tar and feathers waiting for him at the door. Let's see how the Right embraces this proposed policy now that a Republican presidency is hanging on it.
McCain's campaign has just made me sad. I used to have a lot of respect for him. Beginning around 2003, he's compromised every one of his historical positions and now he's just a parody of who he once was. Just sad.
Shaughnn

[ddmoit]

I really don't understand the point of having principles if they are to be abandoned when the going gets tough. I have no use at all for fair-weather free marketers. Judging by their recent voting record, the Republican Party if full of them.

If an Obama victory appears to be imminent on election day, real conservatives can send the strongest message by staying home. I think a lot of them already plan to do just that.

[HS345]

If an Obama victory appears to be imminent on election day, real conservatives can send the strongest message by staying home. I think a lot of them already plan to do just that.

That "strategy" is what got us the demoncrat controlled congress we have today. Not a good one. What has it gotten us?

[ddmoit]

Greg, it doesn't matter to me which party a member of Congress is from if they're voting for more socialism. My congressman is a Republican. He voted FOR the bailout. He may not know it, but it was the most important vote of his career - and he voted the wrong way - both times! He may as well be a Democrat or a Socialist. I hope he is soon unemployed.

I think McCain made it perfectly clear last night that he is no better than Obama when it matters. They're both awful. It doesn't matter who wins.

[jvcstone]

My districts representative --a republican--voted against the bailout both times . He gets my vote again. Odd thing is that the district just south of here is represented by a most liberal democrat, and he voted against the bailout both times also.. I guess an understanding of central banking fiat monetary policies, and the damage the cause, can cross party lines in times of crisis.

JVC

[MudMaker]

McCain stunk to high heaven last night.. Between his GLOBAL WARMING rant and buyin up mortgages and him sayin that I KNOW HOW TO FIX THESE problems (How stupid) and he says My Friends one more time I'm gonna scream.. At least he didn't say Maverick. Or refer to Miss Congeniality again..
I thought he did a terrible job.
That said, he's still a thousand times better than "THE LIBERAL"

[Dave Taylor]

It doesn't matter who wins.
A-amen...... Aaa-amen..... AAAA.... A-aaaaa.... A-aaa-a-men. :cry:

[HS345]

What Frank said.:cry:

[sandbagger]

McCain stunk to high heaven last night.. the whole debate stunk. I didn't think these things could get any worse when along comes Brokaw to prove how wrong I could be. I can't believe I'm actually longing for the likes of Gwen Ifill - Obama book deal and all. Seriously - the Q&A last night was nothing more than a rehash of the two candidates' websites. :bang:

What I'm really pissed about is how the GOP continues to cowtow to the Left on these debates. come on - can't we find someone interesting to moderate? heck, Keith Obermann would at least make it a little more entertaining. :crazy:

[tilerite]

the whole debate stunk. I didn't think these things could get any worse

Well then Art, maybe you're setting your standards too high. Remember, we're talking about Obama and McCain. Lower your bar to roughly ankle height, and you won't be disappointed. :sick:

[sandbagger]

Ok, Rick - tell me one interesting question besides the one about attacking Pakistan. :uhh: Does anybody care about guns? abortion? eminent domain? Lead from China? how about the 'fairness doctrine?' Executive privelege? Wiretapping? trials for terrorists?

Rick Warren is starting to look like a genius moderator.

[MudMaker]

Did Brokaw look funny to anyone else?? Was it makeup, lighting, stupidity, ignorance, or was he just trying to appear lifelike?? :)
His mouth looked like a slit that compressed air was blowing out of... :rolleyes:

[tilerite]

These debates are an insult to any intelligent person. So are the candidates. Frank, don't even get me started about Brokaw. :uhh:

[Davestone]

Yeah, i lost interest in the election when i found out who was running,maybe that's why i'm so tuned into the economy,expecially since the hurricanes stopped. :yipee: