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John K
12-13-2002, 06:02 AM
Just when they thought they had it all wrapped up. Trent Lott
had to go open his mouth. Wouldn't you think he would know that
he will be the target of the Dems, and watch every word that he says?

Boy the media was chomping at the bit waiting for someone to slip up. Now the big dig into his past.:bang:



John K

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Hobbit
12-13-2002, 06:25 AM
Should prove interesting........

Its business as usual on the Hill. Doesn't really matter who is in residence. Party politics take over. The party is bigger and more important than anything or everything else.

Stir it up,.....stir it up. Anything to "make" news. Anything to discredit the party in residence.

Don't spend your time trying to better yourself or your party's position.............NOooo,.....time is better spent worrying about how you can make the other person look bad.

These are our elected officials...this is our two party system..........SUCKS!!!

There is a fix though...........nah, it'll never happen.:(

:( :bang: :(

flatfloor
12-13-2002, 11:08 AM
It has been so since day one.:(

Bud Cline
12-13-2002, 02:07 PM
I've had my head burried in the 'mud' the past few days....what the hell did he say???!!!:uhh:

dswallow
12-13-2002, 02:21 PM
One of the best things ever to happen in Washington was the Monica Lewinsky scandal. It kept congress from doing anything useful for almost a year. The country did very well, then.

dswallow
12-13-2002, 02:25 PM
I should have said "useful" (in quotes). Sarcasm was intended.

Bud Cline
12-13-2002, 02:47 PM
Is that all???

Why is it those bastards can spend their entire life lieing to everybody then when they tell the truth everyone wants their head?

Did he really say that?:shades:

dswallow
12-13-2002, 03:01 PM
Sorry, Bud... didn't mean to confuse you with my comment.

Here's a story about the whole fiasco:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/12/11/120.html

Wednesday, December 11, 2002
Global Eye -- Fade to White
By Chris Floyd


Governing a nation is largely a mundane affair: a daily grind of budgets, legislation, policy-making, appointments and so on. But underlying every government is something deeper, nobler -- a greater vision of the ideal society, the best way to order the world. It's the cherished dream, the touchstone, that guides and inspires the wielders of power even as they carry out their prosaic duties of public service.

Last week, we were vouchsafed a rare glimpse of the greater vision that guides the Bush Administration -- a picture of the ideal society that they are working so hard, so selflessly to build in the hallowed American homeland. It came as Republican luminaries, including President Bush himself, hosted gala birthday celebrations for the nation's oldest senator: Strom Thurmond, Republican from South Carolina, who turned 100 last week -- still holding office, although he will finally retire in January. Thurmond's long and colorful career included a run for the presidency in 1948, when he carried several states before losing to Harry Truman.

Senator Trent Lott of Mississippi -- the new Senate majority leader -- touched on that historic 1948 race when offering his unstinting praise for Thurmond. "I want to say this about my state," Lott declared. "When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of him. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."

What stirring moments, as the leader of the free world -- the leader of all those who believe in goodness, justice and civilization -- joined the most powerful man in the U.S. Senate in embracing the vision of society put forth so long ago by Senator Thurmond. It must have seemed a doomed, quixotic crusade back in those dark days of '48, when Harry Truman and his rootless cosmopolites buried Thurmond's authentic Americanism in a blitz of big money and slick PR. But now, what sweet vindication to see that vision resurrected by a dynamic president and his faithful followers!

And what is this vision that stirs such pride in Bush and Lott, this vision whose earlier fruition would have spared the nation "all these problems over all these years?" O Clio, muse of history, carry us back through the mists of time and let us hear again the plangent voice of Strom Thurmond in 1948, calling his people on to glory in the holy name of "white supremacy."

"We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race! All the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches!"

Thus did Thurmond rouse the faithful after Truman dared offer a civil rights law to the nation. Among the "socialistic-communistic" measures in the proposal: "equal protection under the law" for all citizens; a federal law against lynching; an end to "poll taxes" that kept poor blacks (and whites) from voting; and a request that the Army stop segregating its black soldiers.

This was too much for Thurmond, who, as political master of South Carolina, had forced through a law requiring anyone voting in the state's primary to "swear allegiance to racial segregation in religious, social and educational affairs." Truman's communistic plan would "bring about the end of segregation in the South, forcing mixing of the races in our hotels, in our restaurants, in our schools, in our swimming pools," Thurmond thundered, painting a veritable vision of hell. Negro germs in the swimming pools! Laws against lynching! The horror, the horror.

In Lott's Mississippi, they knew the score. Official 1948 party documents warned that a vote for Truman would mean that his "vicious anti-lynching and anti-segregation proposals will become the law of the land, and our way of life in the South will be gone forever." And what a life of goodness, justice and civilization it was: Mississippi was the top-ranked lyncher of uppity darkies in the century following the Civil War. Of the 3,442 officially acknowledged extrajudicial killings of blacks, Trent's boys bagged 538 of them, far outpointing the 352 recalcitrant coloreds murdered by the good Christian folk in the third-place state, George W.'s Texas.

It is this "way of life" that Lott -- last week -- said should have been made the law of the land. Although he later declined to elaborate on which "problems" could have been "avoided" by building a nationwide system of Mississippi-style apartheid, all those raised in the Old Confederacy -- including Lott, Bush and your own Global Eye -- know exactly what his code words meant.

It's true that many decades later, after African-Americans had fought and died for the right not to be lynched in their own country, Thurmond belatedly began whoring after their votes. But this was just expediency; after all, the web site of the "Strom Thurmond Institute" at Clemson University even now declares that his 1948 pro-lynching, white-power campaign was "founded on the same philosophic and political principles that have always been Senator Thurmond's, and which today have regained the nation's attention."

Indeed they have, as Bush's celebration of Thurmond shows. But oddly enough, the president's own highly expedient appointees, Colin Powell and Condi Rice, weren't around to fete the cuddly old codger. Not to worry, though; we have it on good authority that the dusky pair are still allowed to use the White House swimming pool.

Unless Trent's taking a dip, of course.

John K
12-13-2002, 06:44 PM
Geez Doug. Is your keyboard smokin??:eek: :D :santa:

John K

Bud Cline
12-13-2002, 06:50 PM
:) OH.

dswallow
12-13-2002, 06:51 PM
John K... I seem willing to do ANYTHING to avoid starting the laying of my tile. :)

Bud Cline
12-13-2002, 07:14 PM
Are you waiting for dswallows to return to Capistrano or what? Let's get going here, hell it's going to be lunchtime and you aren't even going to have the.......................

Sorry, just practicing for tomorrow!:D

Bud Cline
12-13-2002, 10:29 PM
TEST TEST TEST

Bud Cline
12-13-2002, 10:31 PM
Now that was really dumb Bud, you should have played around in your own Forum where you could have deleted your scribbling.:bang: :bang: :bang: Damn!!!

kdzgon
12-14-2002, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by dswallow
Sorry, Bud... didn't mean to confuse you with my comment.

Here's a story about the whole fiasco:

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2002/12/11/120.html

Wednesday, December 11, 2002
Global Eye -- Fade to White
By Chris Floyd



Trent Lott is certainly not my hero or even a role model for me, but opinionated incomplete biased info such as this being presented as a fair representation of the events is insulting. (BTW, as an interesting aside, I do note that I have yet to see his detractors mention the fact that Thurmond was a staunch Democrat for a time.)

One must take Thurmond's actions in perspective - it was a totally different country then. In fact, the first desegregation court case was in 1850, yet it was not outlawed until 1954! Despite Blacks (men only, I note) gaining the right to vote in 1870, the Voting Rights Act did not pass Congress until 1965 - a law that would have expired in 1982 until Reagan signed a 25 yr extension...apparently, the majority of Congress were concerned that voting discrimination was/is still a significant problem - of course, not extending it would not have been "PC"...

So many ignore the fact that the issue of segregation was used to demonstrate the "danger" of Truman's positions on state rule. Thurmond - and many other politicians - were dead set against having the federal govt set laws to be enforced by states. It is a fight that has gained quite a bit of popularity in recent years - significant responsibilities have been transferred back to the states from the federal arena.

The writer's claim that Thurmond "[whored] their votes" is not fact, it is opinion. Look at George Wallace - he was still espousing segregation in the mid 60s - and getting elected because of it! Ten and 20 years ater, Wallace gained as much as 90% of the black vote. Did he "whore votes" as well?

To say that Thurmond should or could be defined alone by his 50+ year old positon on segregation is ludicrous, as is anyone's claim that Lott's comments referred to that position alone.

I did not write this to support either Lott or Thurmond - I wrote this to express my exasperation at the selective presentation of opinions as "fact" that is so common nowadays. And, of course, we all "know"...if we can read it..and especially if it is on the internet...it's true, right?

Bud Cline
12-14-2002, 08:32 AM
I don't know about all that but what I do know is that "evolution" takes a very long time.:yawn:

John Bridge
12-14-2002, 09:47 AM
Way to go, Laurie. I agree wholeheartedly. Lott isn't one of my favorite guys, either, but he doesn't deserve what he's getting. I'm glad he's decided to fight it by not resigning.

One minor note, I think. Segregation as a whole was not "outlawed" in 1954. In 1954 the Supremes ruled in Brown v. Board of Education, which did away with the "separate but equal" system in public education. That started the ball rolling toward the Civil Rights Acts of the sixties.

I was in junior high and high school in the fifties. Segregation was in full swing throughout the country. Where I grew up (Seattle area) it was not talked about or even particularly enforced. It just was -- well into the sixties.

Bud Cline
12-14-2002, 02:15 PM
That shows how much you know John!:)

Hell..........The Supremes where mere pups in 1954, it wasn't until the mid sixties that The Supremes ruled. Dontcha' remember?

Carry on.:dance:

flatfloor
12-14-2002, 03:48 PM
The segregation part got me thinking. Would you believe in the section of the Bronx, part of NYC, I grew up in, there was no one to segregate. People were usually of Irish, Italian, Jewish heritage or a mix thereof but no Blacks or Hispanics. This was by no means a wealthy area. It wasn't until HS that I went to school with Blacks. Even I find that hard to believe.

As I'm typing I realize that there were ghettos all over the city, Irish, Italian, German, Black,some Hispanic, Jewish, Chinese etc. since we went to school in our respective neighborhoods it makes sense. My neighborhood just happened to be mixed.

Not sure what that means, it's just the way it was.

John Bridge
12-15-2002, 09:22 AM
Jim,

That's the way it was to a lesser degree in Seattle, which was by comparison a small city then. Most of the blacks lived in one part of town. I remember that Garfield High School was totally black. Had one hell of a football team.

Where I went to high school out north in Everett, we had only three blacks in a school of 2,000 -- a boy and two girls. They kept to themselves, and no one bothered them as far as I know.

I knew only a few people of Spanish extraction, and they had been there so long they were considered white.

It was segregation, though, because it doesn't exist up there now. As soon as they were given the opportunity, the blacks fianned out into the other neighborhoods and schools.

drew
12-15-2002, 10:07 AM
Ya know, ya gotta ask yourself, would Mr. Lott's comments even have made the third page of the paper 20 yrs ago? News today is a 24 hr a day industry these days, and let's face it folks, how much news is actually out there to report? Don't know about anyone else, but I'm too busy trying to make a living and running 5 kids around to choir, basketball, etc., that I really don't have time nor energy to worry much about what Trent said about Strom!

Whatever happened to "all the news, that's fit to report?"

Got to agree with the "Monica scandal" reply though, Congress did manage to go that whole time and accomplish nothing, other than collecting their fat paychecks and perks at our (the beseiged American taxpayer's) expense of course they didn't forget that.

As for segregation, well it's a memory from the past, except for a rather exclusive area in the suburbs of Atlanta, as evidenced by this story I saw a while back on 60 Minutes
[URL=http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/08/14/eveningnews/printable306467.shtml] Kind or ironic I thought.

I've seen as much or more Negro or African-American (or whatever the PC term for it is these days)racism as any other over the yrs in the miles I've traveled, granted I'm a mere pup compared to some here. IMO there's bad apples in every batch, and it's best to avoid them if you can. Now I've reached a point in life where there just are good people & bad people. The good will stick by ya, thick or thin, the bad just want to hang around during the good times.

What I totally don't understand is why I see so many white teenagers (including one of my own unfortunately)trying to be black?!? I understand that we all have to live together, but each race should retain their own ethinicity. But hey, what do I know?..... after all, :shades:I'm....

kdzgon
12-15-2002, 02:27 PM
Yes, John - I misspoke...it was forced school segregation that was outlawed in 1954. Of course, technically it had already been outlawed in the military in 1948, though implementation in all branches took some time. In reality, segregation has never been barred across-the-board, even to this day. The Civil Rights Act made discrimination in many situations (but not all) illegal, but did not prohibit all segregation. Remember, segregation is not merely a black-and-white issue - there are many nationalities, and there is segregation of the sexes as well.


Jim, if you lived in a mixed-heritage neighborhood, that was considered integration back then. :D The newest wave of immigrants were usually looked down upon as a lesser class - it did not start with (nor did it end with) the blacks.

edited to add: Why is this type of segregation "ok"? It sure isn't ok in my book.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/08/14/eveningnews/printable306467.shtml

flatfloor
12-15-2002, 04:02 PM
Nobody considered it segregation then, people just gravitated to their own kind. When you arrived here from another country you went to your own people where you had a support group.

drew
12-15-2002, 04:56 PM
Why is this type of segregation "ok"? It sure isn't ok in my book. I agree completely, isn't this exactly what the entire civil rights thing was all about? Now how long would this be stood for if it the table were turned? Oh no that wouldn't do at all, the NAACP would be up in arms, and there'd be a call for special sub-committee on the hill. Ok I'll stop before I get on another rant.:calm:

JC
12-15-2002, 06:25 PM
Lets not kid ourselves into thinking that racsim is a thing of the past, it is alive a well just about everywhere. Half of those crusty old upper class guys in Washington would'nt be caught dead associating with blacks if it were not election day.

Segregation may be outlawed but there is STILL "social segregation".

I think alot of folks "think" they are not prejudice but when things get ugly thats when uglyness comes out.

Most of the worse times in history of rascism were times when the economy is bad...

I think the democrates are making a bigger deal about this then they should for pure political advantage...but on the same ticket I really don't like the thought of someone who once advocated racsim even bieng remotely connected to the political processes of today.

As far as kids trying to be black..that aint nothing new...ever hear of Elvis? I personally think that is a good thing and like the fact that kids are growing up NOT seeing color as much these days..maybe another 20 years this evil stereotyping will be truely dead....I hope.

dswallow
12-20-2002, 11:22 AM
WASHINGTON, 1:02 p.m. EST December 20, 2002 - Two weeks after his endorsement of Strom Thurmond's 1948 segregationist presidential bid touched off a national uproar, Sen. Trent Lott announced Friday that he is stepping down as Senate majority leader.

Lott's decision not to defend his position came as Sen. Bill Frist gained support from peers who felt Lott's statements had undermined his ability to lead the party in the Senate. Lott said he would stay on as a senator.


---

Payback #1 for the Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky persecution? :cool:

flatfloor
12-20-2002, 03:50 PM
http://www.texashillcountryshopper.com/images/horseman_sunset.gif

dswallow
12-20-2002, 04:01 PM
Typical Republican; he's facing the wrong way. At least the sun is obscuring the horses privates... :D

JC
12-20-2002, 04:17 PM
LOL



D-e-s-p-a-r-ado ...why don't you.....

dswallow
12-22-2002, 06:45 PM
PASCAGOULA, Mississippi (AP) -- Sen. Trent Lott, in his first public remarks since resigning as Senate Republican leader, said Sunday that he had fallen into a "trap" set by his political enemies and had "only myself to blame."

...



Umm, hmm.... damn those Democrats. I should've known somethin' fishy was up when they threw a party for Strom and invited me! I'll be damned! Damn Damn Damn!


...


Do these politicians ever listen to the stuff they spew from their very own mouths?

flatfloor
12-23-2002, 08:25 AM
Well, it certainly wasn't anything he did.:rolleyes:

John Bridge
12-23-2002, 08:52 AM
Okay, so Lott committs the faux pas and apologizes. Had he stopped there, he would be in much better shape than he is.

Instead he goes on a half-dozen talk shows and spews a different version of his long-held philosophy on each of them. I think that's what finally killed him.

flatfloor
12-23-2002, 09:04 AM
Their power must go to their ass. They think they can feed us any kind of bullshit and we will believe it. If Nixon and Clinton had said yeah we did it, my bad, that would have been the end of it.

JC
12-23-2002, 10:38 AM
Did you him trying to say that "alot of people don't like him because he is Christain"...

He is a total idiot..what a pathetic atempt to appeal to the voters.

It was one think what he said, that was bad enough, that did not really surprise me just for the fact that his true colors are showing though..no big deal..it was't the end of the world and no surprise that he feels that way...alot of folks do.

But the way he has acted since then is down right typical of a politician with no stability and just wanted to please everyone even if it means apologizing,bringing God into the debate, bla bla bla and lastly taking a cheap poke at the Democrates(even though they may have helped start it) . The whole thing is he is just spewing a bunch of garbage ever since that happened.

Thats what I don't like..a slip of the toungue is one thing but to shamelessly suck up the the NAACP and I do mean shamelessly, and the shameless use of hiding behinf GOD, and the even more shameless trying to say he was set up by democrates..Thats the stuff that lying, good for nothing BS spewing politicians do.

Thats what made me lose total repect for the guy...they should get him TOTALLY out of congress...and PLEASE put that Thurman dude in a home or something..100 years old...the guy cannot even chew his own food let alone help run a country....I mean really don't we have enough idiots in Washington without allowing him to stay.
Congress is should not be like working at the YMCA...just becuase you feel sorry for the guy or "he aint such a bad guy" is no reason to keep him.
Congress controls the future of this country..I for one want ONLY the best guys we can get for that position....and we can do alot better then this joker thats for sure.

What really made me sick today was listening to CNN and people calling up that were saying some really f***** stuff that truelly reflected the way a large majority of this country things(unfortunatly). One lady was saying "I worked all my life ,I am tired of all my tax money paying for those people etc..." And that was just one of the callers the others were not much better at disguising there obvious ignorance.

What the heck is wrong with people? It seems the people who are more isolated from the real world are the ones that are the worse.
People who are prejudice need to walk a mile in someone elses shoes thats all it is,get out of there little cocoons and there stereotypes and get out into the real world and actually hang out with the people they are "afraid" of, to understand how everybody is really the same. I use the word "afraid" becuase I do think that also has alot to do with what makes people hate.


And whats all this BS going on about Irag speading smallpox....good greif, don't these a**holes ever stop tying to scare us.
You know Hitler used the EXACT same tactics to get the Germans to attack. You repeat the lie long enough and it becomes true I guess.

The inspectors are there and guess what? THERE IS NO SIGNS OF ANY WEAPONS OF *cough* MASS DESTRUCTION.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_IRAQ?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME

if you read that you will see that
The US and Britan still claim the weapons are there but refuse to tell the inspectors where the weapons are...gee I wonder why.
This is the same BS as last time it is not Saddam playing the games it is our beloved leaders(aka oil puppets) that have been playing all the games and lying.
The idea is to either prolong the sanctions as long as they can (by not giving any info on locations to the inspectors who have 500-100 sites left to visit) or to install a puppet government in Iraq...either way we get control of the oil.

The whole farse is just a ploy to control the oil...just about everything else is a lie.
The last thing a nation that has continually enforced the sanction in the last decade...even after noone else has...even to the point of having inspectors lie..even to the point of the US pulling the inspectors out...all to continue the sanctions and retain control over the oil market.
The LAST thing the US wants is to inadvertinly accidently end the sanctions by having the inspectors not find anything...would'nt that be ironic...We will play any game we can to keep the sanctions going...as we have been.However installing a puppet government and enslaving the conutry to financial servidude via the world bank is one step better.

The fact is Iraq has everything to gain by proving to the world they have no weapons...removal of sanctions,being able to sell oil at higher prices,NOT getting turned into a parking lot,access to medical supplies...on and on. Why the hell would they even want to play games? They have invited the world press,they have invited the CIA..they want to end the sanctions that have been crushing there country for the last decade.....

Sure Rumsf**k would like us to believe he is just trying to play games just so he can destroy his own country and watch millions of his own citizens die...but I ask does that make anykinda sense? The guy is obviously not that dumb and has managed to survive going to war with a superpower(twice),keeping some control over his vast oil resources,a decade of criminal like sanctions, and has still has support from most of the world...I find it hard to beleive he WANTS to continue sanctions or has some kinda death wish.


The Iraqis gave a 12,000 page report and have cooperated fully. But still the administration claims the report "has major holes in it" bla,bla,bla.....But STILL NO REAL PROOF of anything other then how badly the bush wants to stomp on Irag and get to the oil.

.

"The Bush administration remained alone Friday in its conclusion that gaps in the declaration constitute a "material breach" of U.N. resolutions on Iraq's disarmament."

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/UN_IRAQ?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME


This is the kinda BS that happens when we elect(oops we did'nt elect) an oil man for president.Money is the root of all evil...follow the trail.


I'm sorry John I know you don't like people putting down our country...but I did'nt vote for these a-holes and they certainly do not represent the moral charactor of this country ( well at least the folks who base their info on facts and not media propaghanda).
I love this country too but I do not like this trend of stomping on other countries just so the corporations can get rich...no no thats just plain wrong...and I am tired of having wild unsubstanciated accustaions and outright falsehoods shoved down my throat by the mainstrean government lapdog media to try to scare me into supporting this war every time I turn around. All I know is that so far I have not seen one single Iraqi even attept to an act of terrorism in this country....I call it the way I see it...if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...it must be a duck.


end of rant.

flatfloor
12-23-2002, 11:26 AM
Strom Thurman retires at the end of the year.

JC
12-23-2002, 12:52 PM
I know in January I think it is.

John Bridge
12-23-2002, 03:34 PM
JC, did you get it all out? Damn. Used up half my disc space. :D

JC
12-23-2002, 04:41 PM
Yea I feel much better now...should be good for another couple months.thx

cx
12-23-2002, 09:43 PM
Well, JC, I certainly don't always agree with you, but nor do I confuse strong, or even extreme, disagreement with our government with "putting down our country".

There is nothing un-patriotic about disagreeing with the actions of your elected officials. Indeed, there is nothing less patriotic in my mind than going quietly along with whatever contemporary madness our government might put forth if you don't agree with it.

Nothing would please me more than to go back to a time (if it ever really existed) when I could trust our leadership at the national level to be doing the right thing even when I questioned their apparent actions at the time. That is no longer an option so far as I'm concerned, and I don't think I'm in a minority there, no matter what the latest Presidential popularity polls show.

In a book titled The Politics of Lying, David Wise said, "The consent of the governed is basic to American democracy. If the governed are misled, if they are not told the truth, or if through official secrecy and deception they lack information on which to base intelligent decisions; the system may go on -- but not as a democracy"

That, unfortunately, is where I think we find ourselves today, and no amount of complaining about it is too much, although no amount of complaining seems likely to change the situation either. It's going to be a rough road back to the government our founders meant for us to have, if indeed we can ever get started on it.

drew
12-23-2002, 10:44 PM
Oh come now Cx, you don't actually think that things have really changed all that much in this country's government in the last 225+ yrs do ya? Things are prety much the same as they've always been. That is, the rich get richer and the rest of us workin stiffs, work our tails off to make sure they do!!

Ok there's my quarterly anti-government statement, sorry it just irks me to give $$ away for questionable services rendered. And let's just say I have no problem counting on one hand how the various levels of our government has helped me in the last 3 months. Let's see they raised the prices on business licenses, driver's licenses, and dog licenses, damn I hope they run out of college age kids soon! Oops, hush Drew, you're gettin on a rant.

cx
12-24-2002, 12:42 PM
Here guys, have a look at this news report. :)

http://www.theonion.com/onion3847/bill_of_rights.html

JC
12-24-2002, 01:00 PM
edit

JC
12-24-2002, 01:13 PM
Ha Ha...could'nt find it on the ACLU site so it must be a joke.Not that they already have not stomped the bill of rights into ground already that is.


http://www.aclu.org/Quizzes/QuizIntro.cfm?ID=4


http://www.acluaction.org/aclu/mail/?customid=122244&MAILID=695001


Going,going,gone

http://www.aclu.org/Cyber-Liberties/Cyber-Liberties.cfm?ID=11332&c=58

bbcamp
12-24-2002, 01:56 PM
No, JC, the Onion is a widely read news source. Earlier this year, the official Chinese newspaper reported that the US Congress was looking for a new building because the Capital Building was getting a little frayed and worn out.

They got it straight from the Onion, and stood behind their sources!



:D

JC
12-24-2002, 02:04 PM
TIA=Total Infomation Awareness

Just wanted to show some of what is bieng done as far as our privacy is concerned this data is collected from Darpa (http://www.darpa.mil/body/off_programs.html) a government technology contractor with an annual US. budget of over 175 million dollars a year and rising.

This is where our tax money is going...some of the stuff may sound good on paper but its a double edged sword. I personally think if these kinds of technology are being focused on then there needs to be more focus on who uses it. A who's watching the watchers syndrome if you will.

It works likes this picture and all data will be sent to and filtered thru this agency then implimented thru various anti-freedom loopholes like thePatriot act (http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html)

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/images/TIA_graphic.gif

We a Bio-Survellience

This government agency can now view our pre-diagnotoc medical conditions...in other words they can find out what symptoms you have before you even know what you have.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/BSS.htm

Already using another form of it

http://www.darpa.mil/dso/success/encompass.html

Genisys

Managing very large amounts of tracking data on cirizens

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/Genisys.htm

Genoa II

Automatically make decisions and institute action based upon gathered infomation..you know like automatically investigate anyone who uses a "catch" word too many time etc..

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/Genoa.htm

HumanID

Spy survelience technology that will stop a person up to 500ft away and run his name through a computer automatically.Plans include future logging and 24/7 monitoring

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/HID.htm

TIDES

Detecting certian phases and words in many differant lanquages and initiating record and TAP systems when triggered.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/TIDES.htm

WEA

A fancy name for stereotyping and monitoring folks.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/WAE.htm

Spyware programs

http://www.darpa.mil/MTO/sono/

Little spy robots

http://www.darpa.mil/mto/drobotics/overview/index.html

Monitoring shirts


http://www.darpa.mil/dso/success/smartShirt.html








Ever wonder what foriegners are saying?

Babylon

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/Babylon.htm

EARS

Translation phone messages into text for easier and faster and large scale review

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/EARS.htm

EELD

Tracking and logging where you go, what organizations you belong to, who you know and who you talk to.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/EELD.htm


FutureMap

This could be used to predict any governmental dissent so various agencies can stop any organized anti-government problems.

http://www.darpa.mil/iao/FutureMap.htm

Carnivore

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/carnivore/carnlrgmap.htm

Punchlist

laws forcing phone companies to log cell phone and wireless devices and turn them into tracking devices to be view at any time.

http://www.cdt.org/digi_tele/proceedings.shtml

what happens when companies did'nt make the deadline.

http://iwce-mrt.com/ar/radio_fcc_voids_att/

And a refresher on who really controls ALL communication and media in this country.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/business/includes/fcc_primer.htm