More sellouts

[tilesnake]

"Dell computers to add 5000 more jobs to India, on top of the 10000 that they already taken from us! Are we trying to fold our country?

Tile.

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[Theold--scottyb]

Its the way of the future..

[opiethetileman]

Dude Im Gettin A Delll

[Hamilton]

Should i start a tile business in india? I dont think so. Big companies look
for countries with low labor costs to maximize profits in an inflated american
economy. To think that it is cheaper to have things built 'over there'
and pay the freight to have them 'shipped here' i feel bad for the people
being taken advantage of by big corporate america.

[cx]

"Dell computers to add 5000 more jobs to India, on top of the 10000 that they already taken from us! Ain't nobody takin' nothin' from us, Snake, we're givin' it away. :(

I may not live to see it, but I believe it's gonna prove to be a very, very expensive way to save money. :shades:

[Theold--scottyb]

Its alot cheaper to have stuff built there then shipped here..

Heres an example...

Besides flooring I have a custom powder coating shop. I have this one customer, ( lives in Ohio), that has manufacturing plants in china. Its cheaper for them, to make the parts there, put them on a container boat,(takes about 35 days for me to get them), ship them to me in Ohio. I put a plastic coat on the handles, box them back up, put them back on the boat and ship them back.. Now tell me those people arent getting taken to the cleaners?


The guy explained to me, that where he built his plants, it is all generation owned farm land. Thats all these people do is farm. They have no income. So he puts in the plants, and starts hiring these farmers. Hell they have never had a paycheck before, so they think they are living the good life..

[Hamilton]

So youre one of those kinna guys huh.... :shake: :x:

[Theold--scottyb]

Nope, I still charge them the going rate here, not over there.

[Hamilton]

You charge the going rate here, and pay less for labor over there. So you are robbing
americans of a wage earned and paying to a person who has no choice
but to accept any wage he can get. This is why i buy american made products whenever i can.

[RLeVan]

Pretty soon Dell is going to absolutely trash their "Support" reputation. It is nowhere near what it was 5 yrs ago, and the way things are going it won't improve.

[Dave Taylor]

Snake, Jack, Rick, CX.

I like going into a friendly, family owned mom and pop, bricks and morter, where folks are truly happy I stoped and kin still offer some US home made goodies.

Dunno how long that will remain an option but, I'll continue till it ain't.

Y'all hear Exxon/Mobile neted some 37 Billion last counting period?
Largest net .period. ever for any corp being counted. :suspect:

[Theold--scottyb]

You charge the going rate here, and pay less for labor over there. So you are robbing
americans of a wage earned and paying to a person who has no choice
but to accept any wage he can get. This is why i buy american made products whenever i can.


I dont pay for any labor, here or there. I just coat the parts. Im not involved in the manufacturing of the stuff.

So if you found out, the stone your setting came from a country that payed their workers terrible pay rates, you wouldnt install it?

Are you sure all the tools and supplies you are using arent being made by workers getting shafted on the pay scale?

If you say yes to any of it, then you are robbing americans of a waged earned.. Correct?

[John K]

Look at Ford and Gm. The damn unions are breaking them! All those benefits they have to offer cost the company a fortune. Now too be fair. I also think that the executives of Ford and Gm have been bending over backwards for the shareholders and not putting the priorties of the company first. It all dates back to the early eighties and deferring problems from one generation of CEOs to the next and eventually it snowballs into today!

They need to get people interested in buying their products and have the goverment start putting tariffs on the japanese and chinese imports.

They may say the hell with it and move everything overseas. Who knows. :goodluck:

[John K]

Ah Shaughnn,

I saw you replying to the thread this morning, what happened? You were nibbling on the " union bait", but didn't bite. :D

[Shaughnn]

Rick,
I just opened and set up my brand new Dell computer over the weekend. As I'm a borderline Luddite, I needed help with some technical and billing stuff. I have never before experienced such courteous and helpful service assistance. Aside from "Adam"'s faulty headset microphone, all three of my service calls were spectacular. The people I dealt with in India ALL spoke exceptional English (accents aside). I was on the phone for nearly an hour with one trying to untagle Norton "Ghost" from some software that I wanted to load, and I didn't even notice the passing of time. As well, Dell does some of their billing service in Costa Rica, and my experiences with them were equally positive. When I compare that to the increasingly rare domestic phone-center experience, with their gum popping and "ain'ts", I welcome the new experience.
I have made a point of chatting-up phone center people for about 15 years now. When I started paying attention to where these people were calling from, there were a lot of call centers in Central California. These were mostly university students from Fresno and Bakersfield. Then the centers moved East to Kansas and Nebraska and the people on the phones were all older women. The the centers moved a bit to the South, into Alabama and Arkansas, and the people on the phone were all single-mothers. Now were in India, where the people on the telephones are all in their mid-20's and seem to be eager to help,... and keep the good job that they have. The trend is "agricultural communities with a cheap labor pool to draw from". It's not a recent developement. It's only now that we've invited these companies to chase even cheaper labor overseas that we take issue with it. It reminds me a bit of a guy who suggests to his girlfriend that they have an "open" relationship and gets bent out of shape when he finds out that she's started sleeping around. We reap what we sow and as long as we demand "cheap" over all else and reward the corporations that give it to us, we've only got ourselves to blame. :)
John,
Robert Riech gave a talk at the "Commonwealth Club" here in San Francisco recently. During his presentation, he touched a bit on the future of unions here in America. You can download the Podcast here (http://www.podcast.net/show/31357) .
Shaughnn
PS: I know I sometimes type volumes but consider that I did it this time one-handed and with a squirmy baby on my lap. :)

[slb]

Y'all hear Exxon/Mobile neted some 37 Billion last counting period?
Largest net .period. ever for any corp being counted. :suspect:

They made that on almost $400 Billion in revenues, that's less than 10% profit. Pretty typical of a lot of industries and a lot less than many (e.g. pharmaceutical). Even the taxes on gas are higher than 10%. No, I don't work for Exxon. :shrug:

[Theold--scottyb]

I will take that 10% profit anyday..

[DonB]

I think virtually all sectors of American business have been beat down by the cost of insurance, energy and overhead and have been legislated, regulated and litigated to the point we are out of the race. Add to that the quality of the labor pool and it's no wonder companies are looking elsewhere to save a buck if they have the opportunity. Many don't.

Don

[Hamilton]

I said how i feel im not gonna argue this at all, nuff said.

[Theold--scottyb]

Ahhh, I see . :goodpost:

[John K]

Shaughnn,

I looked in the dictionary and Luddite is not a word! And don't blame it on the baby. :D :D

[Rob Z]

John K

Modern day Luddites would do this: :smash: Sometimes I want to, too; not because I am against technology but because the damn things drive me crazy. :cry: :crazy:

[Shaughnn]

Here you go, John. Follow this link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite)
Shaughnn

[John K]

Shaughnn,

Fess up! You have a computer program that does spell check and has a thesaurus on it?

Don't tell me you remember all this vocabulary from school! Come clean. :D

[Shaughnn]

John,
My computer has a couple different "spell checker" features, but I rarely use them. I do, however, have Meriam-Webster's online dictionary bookmarked if I'm uncertain about a word I want to use. As for my vocabulary, I "lost" about 20% of it back around 1996 after an exposure to a chemical called Catacarb. The neuropsychologist (http://www.tbidoc.com/Appel2.html) that I was sent to see likened it to "if you had a file-keeping job at an office and went on vacaton for several weeks and then returned to find that someone else had filed things differently than you would". All of my memories and information were still intact but the pathways needed to be rediscovered. It was a frustrating first couple of years, but I don't think that all of my vocabulary has returned, as I still misspeak from time to time.
What's that got to do with the wages of tea-pickers in China? :)
Shaughnn

[John K]

John,
My computer has a couple different "spell checker" features, but I rarely use them. I do, however, have Meriam-Webster's online dictionary bookmarked if I'm uncertain about a word I want to use. As for my vocabulary, I "lost" about 20% of it back around 1996 after an exposure to a chemical called Catacarb. The neuropsychologist (http://www.tbidoc.com/Appel2.html) that I was sent to see likened it to "if you had a file-keeping job at an office and went on vacaton for several weeks and then returned to find that someone else had filed things differently than you would". All of my memories and information were still intact but the pathways needed to be rediscovered. It was a frustrating first couple of years, but I don't think that all of my vocabulary has returned, as I still misspeak from time to time.
What's that got to do with the wages of tea-pickers in China? :)
Shaughnn
Shaughnn,

It has nothing to do with the wages of tea pickers in china or the tomato pickers in CA. I find your post to be full of " color", almost like reading something from William F Buckley. Its a positive not a negative! :nod:

[jjwq8]

Forgive me if I find this exchange quaint and not a little out of place in the virtual home for the poster children of American Free Spelling. Meriam-Webster? A fine reference of American spelling mistakes. :D

[John Bridge]

Tsk, tsk, Jeremy. You know full well it was Noah Webster who corrected many of the misspelled words the colonists brought over from England. It's really too bad that those who chose to remain behind never had benefit of it. ;)

[slb]

Tsk, tsk, Jeremy. You know full well it was Noah Webster who corrected many of the misspelled words the colonists brought over from England. It's really too bad that those who chose to remain behind never had benefit of it. ;)

Ha-Ha! :clap2:

[ncor]

heck it's almost to the point there is'nt a veggie or fruit you can buy in this country that is'nt harvested by some migrant worker from a third world country getting sub standard wages. and as far as beef or bakeing goods it's all produced by ADM brought to you at the cost of the american familly farms being squezed out by multinationals. only 2 ways to make money work for the man or work for your self and only one of these makes america strong.