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Rob Z
08-01-2001, 08:48 PM
Art and John said to tell this one, so here goes


When I was in ROTC in college, we went on a FTX that was supposed to be some sort of patrol type of adventure. It was to be a real (simulated) patrol, with a mission, maps, weapons, steathly movements in the woods, MRE's, etc etc, with a simulated escape out of enemy territory in....canoes. I seem to remember the op order included something about partisans would be available to steal conoes and provide us with safe passage back to home. So, we start out on this overnight patrol. We had two PRC 77's (radios), two M60's, and everyone else had M 16's. I was stupid enough to volunteer to carry one of the radios, in addition to the rucksack and M16, and all the extra batteries for the damn radio. My best friend Al (now an FBI agent in CAL) wanted to carry the M60. Problem was, all our so called cadets friends wouldn't carry any batteries or ammo, so we were miserable from the start. Then it started to rain, the cadet in charge of the map got us lost, and someone seemed to always be calling me on the radio from the front asking to "send up the count". We made about 0.25 MPH, but we didn't lose anyone in the dark.


So it pretty much sucked, as you can imagine, the entire weekend, in the rain ( Ithink this is where I learned to appreciate hot coffee, as my Dad said I would). Until the "Great Escape" in the canoes. This would be cool, I thought. Floating down river, pretending to be Rangers.

It was very cool until we hit rapids. Not rapids like you see people go on those trips in big rafts, but big enough to start putting a bunch of green bean cadets in the water cos they don't have a clue how to paddle and handle a canoe.

Well, our fearless leader, Captain (anonymous), starts trying to give orders while people are capsizing all over the place. He's yelling at me (still up river) not to lose the radio in the river. He barking orders like we are in the Navy and would know what he's talking about. Bow? Stern? Starboard? Port? What's that?

Amid mass confusion, and lots of wet cadets and lost equipment, Captain X calls for my canoe to come over and pull him out of the water (his boat capsized in some rapids, and he managed to get to some rocks). I yelled downstream "Sir, do you really think you can fit in this canoe with two already in here?" I'm thinking that he's nuts, how in the world can we manage to paddle to these rocks in these rapids and let him in the boat? He's steadily losing his *%$#, so we paddle that way. We tried to slow the canoe down and managed to get into a little area protected from the current. He tries to climb in and tips the boat over. I go into the water with the other cadet. Captain X is trying to get us to right the canoe, save the radio, our rucks, the rifles, and all the other junk at the same time. (we are in waist to chest deep water) And all I can think about is how much force the water has on the side of this canoe.

So he actually manages to get back in the canoe. It has about 6 inches of water in it, no oars (they are downstream), and he starts floating away. he heads straight for some rocks, turns the boat so the open side faces upstream. It completely catches the current, and the force of the water wraps this aluminum canoe around these rocks in about 10 seconds. The water pressure crumpled this canoe like a beer can.

So, there was our squared away Ranger qualified, macho Army Captain who was responsible for this patrol, and led it into complete disaster. And spent the end of it yelling like the Captain on "Caine Mutiny".

In case you're wondering, we were told about all the scary stuff that would happen is you lost a rifle you had signed for, so you can bet that my canoe partner and I were diving in that dirty river to retrieve the M16's we lost. I don't think the radio was ever recovered.

Not as good as JC's story, but the former enlisted guys will appreciate it.

Rob

[Edited by Rob Zschoche on 08-01-2001 at 11:04 PM]

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cx
08-01-2001, 11:25 PM
Now, I was with ya right up to the part where the Capitan got back in the canoe, which had "no oars". No oars? No oars? I dunno, Rob. Best you go to your room for a while and think about that.

Meanwhile, is this the boat forum now, or is that still over yonder?

Is this a place where you are supposed to discuss just what the original topic was, or is it kinda like all the other forums?

Bud: 'Splain to Rob about a canoe with oars, will ya? We need a boat forum.

Rob Z
08-02-2001, 07:13 AM
Sorry, Coast Guard Guy, I meant "paddles".

Bud Cline
08-02-2001, 07:46 AM
My canoe never had oars either.

cx
08-02-2001, 09:48 AM
Yeah, Bud, but I've already heard some of the guys say your boat doesn't either, or they weren't in the water, or something like that. But that was on the tile forum, so I didn't understand exactly what they meant.

JC
08-02-2001, 02:48 PM
Floating down the river without oars/paddles is suicide.
I bet you had a certain enjoyment watching him wreck....hehe

Bud Cline
08-02-2001, 02:57 PM
Trying to back that boat with the booster rockets fully engaged wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. I've admitted that many times over the years, you just haven't been there to hear it.

It also wasn't the dumbest thing I've ever done either. Sometime I'll tell ya the story of the time I tried to burn down an entire Corps of Engineers Lake Project. Do you know what "fire ants" are?

John Bridge
08-02-2001, 04:31 PM
Like I said, captains are annoying.

So Rob, does this mean you weren't commissioned?

Coast Guard? Coast Guard?

cx
08-02-2001, 04:48 PM
Do we know what fire ants are? Is a forty pound Robbin fat? And don't tell me it depends on how tall he is, either. Hey! I got in another bird comment without even thinking about it. Don't nobody shoot no rockets at it, now.

And, yeah, Coast Guard. Y'all got a problem with that?

John Bridge
08-02-2001, 05:02 PM
Well no, not exactly. We were sort of talking about the military, though. :)

cx
08-02-2001, 05:16 PM
Shoot low, Sheriff, he's ridin' a Shetland.

We was being military before anybody else, including them Marines. Check it out. Called us the Revenue Cutter Service at first, I believe. Of Course I was very young then. VERY young.

Lost more lives by percentage than any other branch in every war we participated in, including the ones they were too wimpy to call wars, such as Viet Nam.

And I never had to shoot at nobody. Saved a few, though.

JC
08-02-2001, 05:56 PM
Bud lets hear the story!

Bud Cline
08-02-2001, 06:44 PM
My keyboard's broken.

Rob Z
08-02-2001, 06:49 PM
John

I was at advanced camp (after my third year) and got a medical DQ because of an eye surgery. So, I got to rapel, ride in helicopters, jump from a perfectly good Air Force plane, do a lot of shooting, learn to march, and hear cool war stories from some of the grizzled vets in the detachment.

I wasn't cut out to be an officer, so it was a good thing, I think. I bet I would've enjoyed being a warrant officer, though.

I got along best with the NCO's, and there were some good ones.

And, yes, I did enjoy seeing that pompous capatin go into the river. So did everyone else, I think.

Haven't been in a canoe since.

chip
08-04-2001, 05:07 AM
Before last weekend with LL, I hadn't been in a canoe since 1973.

I think I mentioned this before, so I'll be brief.

Went on a week-end canoeing trip, Saturday morning, loaded the canoe and set off for adventure and to check out the babes who were also there.

10 feet from shore we managed to turn er' over.

I come up out of the water, where are my glasses? I start diving, can't find them. Could it be because I don't have my glassed on?

Never found them, didn't have a spare pair with me, I drove.

Sure made it tough to check out the babes!! Not to mention to drive back to the base.

Art

John Bridge
08-04-2001, 03:13 PM
Were you in Nam, Kelly? I was a REMF in the 25th Infantry Division.

cx
08-05-2001, 09:08 AM
I was farther back than that, John. Stationed in Hawaii. Closest I go to in-country was the Philipines. Had to go through escape and evasion training (another 5-6 beer story) before our first WestPac, so I was never sure what the hell we were going over there for. Allegedly some sort of inspection visits to a lot of little islands on the way, but for what? Don't think we were being told the whole story. That was back in 1965/66.

I was barely 20 years old, very nieve, equally stupid, and thought it was all very exciting. Volunteered for a cross-training (no, that's not like cross-dressing, you weirdos)program with the Army to be a heilocopter pilot. Instant Warrant Officer, life expectancy: About 2 weeks, as I recall. Older and wiser heads prevailed and I was deemed too "critical" to be transfered. Nobody said it was to give me some time to grow less stoooopid, but I have thanked them a number of times.

It took me not too many years to see how political and absurd that little "conflict" was. I thanked them a good deal more then.

But I never got to be a flingin' wing pilot, which I do regret. I got to drive the helicopters a lot, but mostly I had to hang out the back door and hoist people out of the salty waters. Very rewarding efforts, those (lots of 2-10 beer stories there).

John Bridge
08-05-2001, 10:36 AM
Well, by Golly, you're an old dog too. Maybe we need a seniors board (I won't join, though. Not quite a senior yet.)

I have to say that Vietnam was the most exciting period of my life. Intense. I wouldn't recommend it, though. It's hazardous to your health.

In-country pilots actually had a little better life expectancy than Infantry second leutenants. Nobody told the lieutenants, though. We let them think they were bullet-proof.

I was a sergeant. I was bullet-proof ninety percent of the time.

cx
08-05-2001, 12:13 PM
Understand. But it's that ten percent that can really spoil your day, as you obviously found out.

Air/Sea SAR was at least 90 percent boring, but the other ten percent provided plenty of excitement for this youngster, thank you very much. And the people I worked for were nearly always really, really glad to see us, and hardly ever shot at us nor required any shooting themselves. I like that in a customer.

Snatch a fella off a boat that's burning on one end and sinking on the other, when it's a couple hundred miles swim home, and you get some memorable handshakes (high five hadn't been invented yet). That kind of day made it all worthwhile. But most of the time it was hours and hours of searching for things that either weren't there or weren't gonna be found. And a lotta empty boats with plenty life jackets on board, too. You boat guys out there listen up!

Educational and productive way to spend the earliest years of manhood. I do recommend it.

John Bridge
08-05-2001, 12:53 PM
Yeah, how about we get on a lighter note. Want me to tell you about the time we were showing x-rated movies in the Non-com hootch and the chaplain walked in?

And then, there is the saga of "Sgt. Rock."

cx
08-05-2001, 01:42 PM
Oh, man, now we're gonna hafta have a War Stories forum. Where everybody would talk about - boats, of course. I get too confused over here already.

When I first visited this site, I actually had an old tile question that RobZ and I had kicked around some time ago. But I've never seen any place where y'all talk about tile stuff. What's that forum called?
CX

Rob Z
08-05-2001, 02:36 PM
Back from WVA.

John, Dad was in the 25th Inf Div as an artillery F.O.

John Bridge
08-06-2001, 06:26 AM
Get him on the board. He may be able to tell the chaplain story better than I can.