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JC
06-10-2002, 07:23 PM
Written by @ at 09 Jun 2002 22:24:45:

>>Having lived through the Cold War, I cannot help but to see the irony in post 9/11 America. Americans have always had an air of arrogance when it came to "freedom." We have asserted, time and again, that no tyrant could quell our lust for independence and liberty. Many a gun owner has declared, since I can remember, that we need the Second Amendment to guarantee our liberty should the state turn against the people and usurp their rights. And now, as we stand before a government that exploits every opportunity, real or imagined, to strip the people of their rights, the gun toting yahoos remain silent. In fact, they nod approvingly of the state's onslaught against all that our culture holds sacred.

The American people have devolved into self centered cowards. Even their rhetoric has mutated from that of arrogant freedom-mongering to the mousy squeak of a people willing to prostrate themselves before a state that has proved it's absolute incompetence in defending its own people in the pathetic hope that life in a zoo will be better than life on the range. Americans have traded their liberty for the illusion of security. They have chosen the path of the organism, seeking nothing more than to eat and to defecate, over the life of an intelligent being with will and dignity.

Each passing day in this fascist "republic" reveals an ever finer focus upon the same bill of goods sold to others before us under new packaging. We have been told that this war, the justification for our slavery, will outlive us. It may outlive our children and their children as well. Is this not the old bill of goods - an imagined utopia - whose ambiguous vision is offered as a reason for self destruction in the hope of a better world - someday? Despite the evidence that failure to detect the assault of 9/11 was the product of individual failures, a new and ominous structure has been proposed. This new structure is architected for tyranny and fails to address a single cause of 9/11.

If our government sought to make the American people safer, it would address the cause of terrorism. Terrorism is the product of desperation. It is a form of war chosen by those whose conditions are intolerable to the point where self destruction is more rewarding than maintenance of the status quo. While our government asserts that deterring terrorism is a matter of security rather than constructing a just foreign policy, there can be no mistake that the intent of our regime is not to protect its people but, instead, to impose its will upon the world.

We have become less than those who, despite living in poverty, have stood up to their oppressors. I speak of the people of Nicaragua and El Salvador; South Africa and Palestine; and all other peoples who live with less and yet have demonstrated the courage to stand against their oppressors. We have become less than couch-potatoes. We have become whipped potatoes.<<


Been awhile since I subjected this forum to political rants....

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Bud Cline
06-10-2002, 10:16 PM
Not near long enough JC, could you make the next one a little longer?

Someone read that thing and condense it for me please. I'd like a Readers Digest version if you don't mind.

flatfloor
06-11-2002, 12:43 PM
Hasn't happened yet!

The government of which you speak is comprised of the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches, (not to mention all the bureaucrats and special interest groups) our system of checks and balances. All of whom will have something to say.

Don't be sure W's overeaction will ever become a fact.

John Bridge
06-11-2002, 05:03 PM
Dubya is not one of my heroes, but he's doin' the best he can.

Who is "@" What I really hate is anonymity. When I say something, I sign my name to it.

Hobbit
06-12-2002, 08:13 PM
It's a shame that I don't know to whom to attribute this fine piece of political trash. It goes without saying, however, that only in our "fascist "republic"" could the author write something like this and feel confident that he (gender neutral) could get away with it. In fact, he probably would have an unending line of patriots standing behind him, gritting their teeth, guaranteeing his right to say it. Only in America. It should be readily apparent to anyone with at least half of a brain, that the author would be "cannon fodder" in the four "republics" that he mentioned and apparently respects so highly.

Here at the college, we regularly get an e-mail delivered that is titled "Idiocy Watch." This fine diatribe would certainly fall well up in the ranks of crap perpetuated on the American people. If I knew who wrote it, who I was quoting, I would nominate it for inclusion myself.


Who says so?? I say so!

Howard Peacock (the Hobbit)

[Edited by on 06-14-2002 at 01:12 PM]

John Bridge
06-13-2002, 06:59 PM
Hi ya Howard. Glad to know ya. ;)

Just to keep things on an even keel here, I've got to say that I don't like the idea of keeping folks in jail without charging them with something -- even bad folks. I think this situation needs to be corrected damned quick.

Dubya and the others can say this is a "war," but I don't think it's a war in constitutional terms, and I don't think that American citizens should be denied due process because of it.

Other than that, I say bomb them, blast them, do whatever it takes to secure the well-being of our country and our society. That's what the government is there for.

Think you could get me on the list for the "Idiocy Watch"? :)

Kirk Downey
06-26-2002, 01:51 AM
JC and all -

@'s dissapointment seems to be that of a person who believed all idealism borne of "truth, justice and the American way" that were parroted through out the cold war. I too am such a disappointed polyanna. We are a nation of hardworking folks that just want to feed our children and enjoy a Saturday afternoon basball game. That's who American's are. We'll work hard and suffer sacrifices to get that for ourselves and our posterity.

If we are fascists, it is not because we choose to obey a cruel dictator - it is because we are not informed of a more subtle and complete truth that will guide our earnest hearts. The more our journalism falls into the hands of a few, the poorer informed we become and the poorer choices we as a nation will make.

We fought the Cold War because the Bolshevics were rats and they scared the piss out of us. We fed the military industrial complex over 50% of our federal budget for nearly fifty years. With 9/11 those same war profiteers have finally gotten the "permanent war" Orwell and Eisenhower feared. Do we have the stones to retake our republic? Yes - Will our information suppliers allow us the data to motivate the mass movement necessary to retake our republic? Ask Rupert Murdock if he'll give us a chance.

Sorry, JC we're getting screwed just like the Salvadorans, Nicaraguans, Argentines and Venezuelans. Look at what Enron did to California. The diference between us and the rest of the world is that we're inside the machine and we've got access to more of the crumbs than those poor bastards that the machine grinds up. I sure am glad I'm not one of those poor christians living in camps on the West Bank.

JC - and all sinners - Remember, God is love - the arc of history is long and it trends towards justice. We also live in a strange world where people manipulate children to strap explosives to their bodies and detonate themselves to make a political statement. Three years ago one of the students from the high school where I teach was so distraught over the things he saw in the world that he immolated himself on a sidewalk in a pleasant outdoor shopping mall. I also misspent years being angry and raging against the machine. Now I have the love of a good woman and a decent job helping young folks prepare to live a decent life. I have come to the realization that the best we can do is have faith and live our life well.

Peace

Kirk out

JC
06-26-2002, 05:46 PM
http://www.worthyinsights.com/features/terrorism-sparked-mark.html


The thing that really bugs me bieng a God-fearing man myself is that I get the feeling we might be on the wrong side of this whole issue..."many we be decieved" as in Revelations.


Who is the King of Terror...I wonder?

flatfloor
06-26-2002, 05:52 PM
What did we do to the Venezualans and Argentinians?

flatfloor
07-11-2002, 11:56 AM
Kirk, any details on the self immolation by one of your students?