Message about Lady Godiva

[Unregistered]

Hi, I'm Elizabeth aka Lady Godiva's husband. Had to take her to the emergency room today. Eliz messed up both her knees in a combo of working out at the gym and painting and was in a lot of pain. She'll be on sometime when I set up the lap top in such a way that she could use it from her bed. She's been restricted to bed for a week at least. I've heard about how helpful this site has been and know how much she loves to come by and so I decided to let you know since she talks so highly about the mud guys. Thanks.
Gerard.

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[Shaughnn]

Gerard,
Please give Eli our best and make sure that she's comfortable. Gawd knows, we'll be lighting a fire under her butt and offering "No Quarter" when she's better, to make up for the down time. :D
You're a lucky man to have a partner with such a fresh sence of humor. She'll be missed while she mends.
Shaughnn

[jjwq8]

Gerard
Give Eli our very fondest regards and I suggest for her knees you might look in the tile your world shop for some two part epoxy:D

[alygal]

Ohmygoodness. Speedy healing to Lady Godiva!
Hope she can get back in here soon.

[tileguytodd]

Eli, when it starts to hurt your sposed to stop what your doing!!
I hope your healing is swift and you can join us again soon :)

[jjwq8]

That won't work Todd.
I've been saying the same thing to M for years but she still kicks me out of the house each morning :D

[John Bridge]

Get well, Eli. I suppose I should lock all your sundry threads until you return?

:D

[Steven Hauser]

Elizabeth,

I hope you have a speedy recovery.

[e3]

what they said!!!

[flatfloor]

Lady G, hurry back, what the hell were you doing , tiling the gym? ;)

[Bill Vincent]

Eli, I hope whatever happened comes out okay, and it's nothing permanent. Atleast your typing fingers are still in good shape!! :D :D :D Like the others, I look forward to your return here. :)

Gerard-- Thanks for the heads up. :)

[Unregistered]

Thank you for the nice comments. Will print this up to cheer Elizabeth up. She had a rough night. We have a 2 story house and there was no way she could get up the stairs with the crutches so she opted to sleep on the couch. I am quite worried because it's both knees and the right leg is swollen. She couldn't walk on Saturday so we knew it was heading in the wrong direction. The ER doctor said that it could have been the weight machines that isolated the knees, and then the painting and having to go down on her knees added more stress. But you try telling this woman she can't do these things!!!! Right now there is too much pain for her to think about being bored. Wanted to ask a question. What's wrong with a Swanstone pan? Eli is sold on tiles based on what she reads here but I'm the one who hates the grout issue. This is all for now. Got to get some work done. Gerard.

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[Steven Hauser]

Hi Gerard,

Nothing is wrong with a solid surface pan.

That said, This website is called Tile Your World. ;)

:D

[yadax3]

Oh, my. So sorry about your knees, Eli. :eek: I would think these guys should know a thing or two about knee pain. You must have been painting the baseboards, eh? Anyway, feel better soon!

P.S. Gerard sounds nice. :)

[Davestone]

Me2!!!!!!!Had both my knees operated on, i know how it feels! :bow: :bow: Get well Dammit,that's an order! :)

[John Bridge]

Gerard,

Swan makes good quality products. Eli was wondering about "cultured marble." I think we talked her out of that. Swanstone is bueno. :)

[Unregistered]

Two knees operated on? That had to be hell. They did tell us that if things didn't improve and she continued having problems surgery might be on the list in the future. Knowing Eli I think she's going to will herself to get well. I'm the culprit when it comes to cultured marble. I went against her wishes last year and had the contractor from hell as she calls him, put in cultured marble everywhere in our bathroom except for the pan which was swanstone. She wanted some tiles being a tile lover and all but I reminded her about the grout and she gave in. This time around my LadyG is giving me hell though and said with some authority that John Bridge and other experts say a mud pan with tiles is the best deal for a shower. I get the point about Tile your world!! Did Eli tell you guys that she's been doing a lot of work on remodeling our kitchen? She's very picky about what goes in and is getting tiles for the floor and backsplash though I talked her into ES, being an Engineer and all that,lol.

[RandyL]

Hi Gerard, Can you pass on a message and tell Elizabeth to hurry up and get better.........I need someone to bug and pick on....... :yipee: :yeah:

[Unregistered]

Gerard-- As a matter of fact she did. She even wanted me to email some pics of backsplashes I've done for ideas. I'll make sure they go out either tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Bill Vincent]

Oops!! Sorry about that-- that last post was me.

[tilesnake]

Lady G hurt her knees--- now she can't hang with the mud duds and Johny B..........Man I hate rap. Any way get well soon Lady Godiva.

Tile.

[John K]

Get well Eli. George W Bush says get well also. :D :D

[tileguytodd]

OK, cutes cute and enough vacations enough.
Dont make me come out there girl!! :D

[Mike2]

:D

[LadyGodiva]

Hi guys,

I see that my husband was busy introducing himself. I still feel rotten, but not as badly as the last few days. Just please tell me what part of PAIN I did not understand??? Why the heck did I continue working out and painting the bloody baseboards and trim??? Ugh! I'm so disappointed in myself that I could break my fingers now! :bang:

Anyway, Gerard passed the laptop over to me for a few minutes and since I'm kind of drowsy and he's ready to go up to bed (I'm still on the couch in the family room), I'd better wind this down. Have a doctor's appointment on Friday and another on Monday to check my knees. There goes the tiling and rock climbing plans :(

I WILL be back guys, have no fear. Take care all, and thanks for the wishes and threats :D

Hugs,

Eli

[FireWrks7]

like major ouchie Eli. pay attention to what your body asks of you and you'll see how quickly it mends. btw, trust me you don't want to break any fingers (broke my left index finer two weeks ago)


Anthony

[LadyGodiva]

Why is it taking so long to recuperate? :bang:

I'm still in bed and only able to walk a few steps to the bathroom :( :cry:

WTF (France = LG does NOT use other F words) :D

Somebody please give me a few words of wisdom, or at least piss me of (I do use the P word these days) :cry: :cry:

[bbcamp]

I guess the old saying "it takes longer to heal as you get older" isn't called for here, eh? :D

[flatfloor]

Bob, you may have just pissed her off enough to get an F word out of her. :D

[bbcamp]

:D

[Davy]

Hope you get to feeling better soon, LG. :)

[Bill Vincent]

Jim-- I'm sure we'll get one out of her in a couple of weeks when Bush gets reelected!! :D

[Shaughnn]

Bill,
To be "re-elected", one must have been "elected" in the first place. :moon:
Shaughnn

[Bill Vincent]

Hey-- are we gonna hijack LG's thread now, too?? :D Besides, he WAS elected! Even in Florida!! :tongue:

[Davestone]

:idea: Wait a minute,i'm in Fl.,i'll go check..................Yep! He was elected :yipee:

[tileguytodd]

Piss her off she says,hmmmmmm i'll give you pissed off!! Get you lazy butt up and quit milking this lil owie .Theres work to be done and your about to get your butt fired.You wanna stay in this country show some backbone,pay your share of the social security and quit laying around livin off someone elses sweat and charity.Your not going to amount to much if a liitle thing like illness puts you down for a week.Hell ,i work injured everyday and do you hear me complaing,do you see me shirking my responsibilities.

How was that :D :D :D

Get well soon LG ;)

[John K]

Todd,

Do you get your painkillers from Canada or from Limbaugh? :laugh2: :D :D :D

[RandyL]

We have a good painkiller here in Canada...its called Whiskey......... :)

[jjwq8]

Yep Yep Yep :nod:

Royal Crown :loaded:

Bestest medicine west of Shannon :D

And like Todd said....what's the hold-up, you only get a week off for a rabies shot ferrcrissakes? :D

[LadyGodiva]

Jim-- I'm sure we'll get one out of her in a couple of weeks when Bush gets reelected!! :D




Bill, that post of yours really PISSED me off!!!!!

Now make me feel better by getting your lazy butt off that porn site and send me those pics you promised, or I'll put a spell on you so you can have busted knees too :D

[LadyGodiva]

Todd, WTF (France) are you trying to do to me? PISS me off too? You did well. Sounds like the stuff that some people write about the folks on welfare :D

[LadyGodiva]

Davy, you're such a sweetie :). Thanks dear.

Sadly, I don't feel much better. Though the pain has subsided some, I still cannot walk more than a few steps. Tried to stand a little bit more than I have been (without the support thingy) and paid for it this morning. The anti inflammatory stuff is playing havoc with my stomach, so I have to take some meds for that. Oh well, this too shall pass.

[opiethetileman]

GEt well soon. But hey whatever they said worked it made you read the boards and respond. Best wishes and hurry back to work we miss reading your thoughts

[Davy]

Bill and Todd, as you can see all it takes is a few kind words. :D

LG, take your time, don't rush it. You'll be back on your feet in no time. :)

[tileguytodd]

Davy, your whimping out on this new prescription for her. Get with the program!! :D

Its not the pain Meds guys,Its these antidepression pills ive been taking since joining this motly crew ;) :laugh2: :tongue: :bang: :yipee:

[Davy]

Oh, it's a prescription. In that case times up LG, up and at it. :D

[LadyGodiva]

Davy, seeing that you're being so nice I guess I will pour my heart out to you. Mike needs to have his knees bashed in .... SOON :rolleyes:

I've done everything the doctor at the ER said, and there is no major changes. In fact, after trying to walk a few baby steps the last few days have caused me excruciating pain especially in the right knee. The swelling has gone done, and at least I can wiggle my toes, but the pain is intense. I cried myself to sleep last night :(. The left knee is getting more pressure as I have to use crutches, so it's tingling and hurting as well, just not as severely as the other. Have a doctor's appointment tomorrow and I will insist on an MRI or CT scan. Something is wrong.

Can anyone in mud world tell me what this sounds like based on the symptoms?

Intense pain that covers the entire knee cap and radiates all the way down to the ankle. It's a constant, burning pain and seems to be deep within the knee joint, and there is a tingling sensation. In fact, I think the knee locked or something because it feels heavy and stiff and doesn't bend quite like the left knee. How could this just be a strain??? Does it sound like Bursitis?

[Davy]

LG, you must mean Todd, he needs it too. :D We don't let Todd compain about his elbows much before we start calling him names. :D

I know a guy who does work out in the subdivision where I've been the last three years. He's just a good ol country boy who happens to own 170 acres not far from the Texas motor speedway, no telling what the land is worth. He gets letters and calls weekly from folks wanting to buy some of his land, he just says "but I've got cows on that land". He drives the oldest truck around, bald tires and all. I pointed out to him a while back that his front tire had the cord showing thru, he said "yeah, that's the good one". Anyway, he said he has knee problems that pop up sometimes, his knees swelled up a while back and he was too cheap to see a doctor. After a couple weeks in bed he figured he better go see one. From what his helper says, Ol junior is going to be out of work atleast 2 months, I'm waiting for him to come back so I can find out what happened.

I have never heard of a strain causing so much pain and problems, of course I'm no doctor. Apparently that's what happened to Junior, just over worked his knees. Does ice help at all?

[tileguytodd]

Generally with the severity you mention something is either torn or seperated.Bursitis would have given you some warning signs most likely.
There are a few Med sites on line that are decent and may provide you with better information.Your Doctor should have ordered an MRI already.
Have they even done an Xray??

As far as my Elbows go.its beyond just the elbows,It severe tendonitis in both arms.the Pain radiates from the elbows through the entire forarm.
The upper back and shoulders only hurt when i breathe.On the brite side,My knees still only hurt after setting tile for 3 10 hour days in a row.;)

[LadyGodiva]

They only did an XRay at the ER and said nothing was broken. The quack is going to send me for an MRI and CT scan (why do I need them both)? I called him over the weekend and told him that I wanted some other tests done. He just said 'okay Elizabeth' :D I guess guys really don't like it when we get angry, huh? But really, it's been over a week now with no bloody relief! It isn't a strain nor bursitis from what I've been reading... pity. Not looking forward to getting bad news but then again I'd like to know WTF (France) is causing me so much pain.

John, as you can see, I am helping to keep the forum as fine and upstanding as it's always been by never using the "F" word :D

Have a great day guys.

[LadyGodiva]

Generally with the severity you mention something is either torn or seperated.Bursitis would have given you some warning signs most likely.
There are a few Med sites on line that are decent and may provide you with better information.Your Doctor should have ordered an MRI already.
Have they even done an Xray??

As far as my Elbows go.its beyond just the elbows,It severe tendonitis in both arms.the Pain radiates from the elbows through the entire forarm.
The upper back and shoulders only hurt when i breathe.On the brite side,My knees still only hurt after setting tile for 3 10 hour days in a row.;)


Todd, I don't know which is worse...the elbows or the knees. I'd imagine that either would be difficult to function with. At least we can both share our pains together :D Thanks for the info.

[tileguytodd]

Have they given you anything for the pain??
I have days where i eat percocet like sweettarts and other days that are more bearable.
I dont want to discourage you but this tendinitis thing has been going on for 2 years for me.Doctor says 6 months off work may cure the immediate pain but the tendons will never be the same again and as soon as i go back to work it'll just happen all over again within a few weeks.
I figure i'll just keep going till i can no longer do it anymore at which time I'll go back to selling something or teaching something(those that cant do teach,right?? ) ;)
I'm not complaining(much) the trades been good to me and any trade is hard on the body.When you push for years sooner or later it catches up to you.I try to tell young guys that but they are all bulletproof.:)

[John Bridge]

Eli,

I appreciate very much your not using the F word, but the fact is you CAN'T use the F word on this site. Go ahead, give it a try. :D

We actually have a couple MDs who are members here. I don't think you'll here from them, though. Someone might email you on the side. Don't wait up for it. :)

Sounds to me like you are still dealing with the ER guy. Most of those people are on temp assignment -- residency usually. Maybe you need to get a specialist. Don't know. :)

[LadyGodiva]

John, are you saying I can't use the F word even if I wanted to? :uhh: Don't push me John, I'm capable of telling you about the French :D

I saw my regular doctor today, and he's trying to get an authorisation for an MRI (HMOs rock, don't they)? My sister lives in Germany and has zero problems when it comes to having medical treatment. Yet here I am waiting for some ridiculous HMO idiot to say 'yay or nay' :bang:

I was taking something with Codeine Todd and it was giving me nightmares, no joke!! So I'm off that and now I'm taking something like Tylenol (can't remember the name right now) but it's prescription medication. It makes me drowsy though. The anti-inflammatory is a Bwitch :sick: It might help the inflamed joints, but sure as hell is doing a number on my stomach. Todd you should teach if you can and save your joints. If this is causing me so much hell, I cannot begin to imagine your pain!

[Bill Vincent]

The tylenol medication is probably tylenol 3-- contains codiene, which is why you feel drowsy after taking it. As for your pain, it almost sounds like he cartilage in the knee is gone, so that the ends of your leg bones are rubbing bone to bone. That would cause the kind of incessant pain you're feeling. It would also explain the feeling that your leg keeps locking up. Of course, I'm only a DIY doctor!! :D :D :D

[LadyGodiva]

Bill, I have more confidence in a tile guy than I do an MD :bow:

Thanks for the pics. Nice work.

[Rob Z]

Senora G,

Yo espero que se recupere pronto!

Rob

[Steven Hauser]

Hi all,

Well Elizabeth,

Let me predicate this on the fact that I am not a doctor.

Runners as a group pay very close attention to their bodies.

Bill, I mean no disrespect when I say this.

When presented with an acute problem like described here I would disagree with a total loss of cartilege.

Rather, I think it is a combination of a nerve and knee cap issue. The cap rolls around some and when stressed will cause swelling. It can last for a few weeks. When the swelling come down the nerves won't be constrained. Ice and elevate it.

The cap was isolated and stressed based on the type of painting and work out you did.

When walking please try to put your feet flat on the floor. No heels for quite a while.

Good luck.

[John K]

Vote for kerry and get a better HMO plan.. :D :D :wtf:

[LadyGodiva]

Vote for kerry and get a better HMO plan.. :D :D :wtf:


John, you couldn't resist, could you? :D

Steven, thanks for the sound advice. My doctor said something along those lines, so I think you probably have as much medical experience as he does.

Still waiting for that authorisation. Is this the US??? My friends in Canada have to wait for certain tests, and are always saying how much better we have it here. A lawyer friend has promised to call the insurance company and shake them up a little with the possibility of a suit if they delay me any longer and the injury worsens. God I love lawyers sometimes :D

[jjwq8]

Keep up those sentiments and somebody here will recommend an MRI for your brain box :D

[LadyGodiva]

Never under estimate the power of a lawyer :D

My lawyer friend called the insurance company regarding the MRI, and he said that they told him the committee meets on Fridays to make a decisions on diagnostic tests. This was Wednesday, so he told her that his 'client' would be seeking medical care i.e. MRI and other diagnostics tests on her own, and they will be receiving a letter from him seeking a refund for charges. I got a call yesterday telling me that my MRI was approved :D

I'll be having it done tomorrow, Saturday at 9:00 a.m.

BTW, saw another doctor today and he's 95% sure that surgery is in the forecast. He suspects cartilage tear, but we'll know better after the MRI. No type of arthritis. I still want to kick myself :bang:

[flatfloor]

Lady, we have a reciprocal arrangement with a DIY knee surgery forum, they offered free tools. :uhh:

[LadyGodiva]

FF are you trying to make me feel better? :uhh:

Well I finally had the MRI of the right knee. My doc has to get another authorisation for the left knee now! It's sooooo reminicent of a third world country :bang: At least we'll have some results soon... I hope.

[flatfloor]

Yes Dear Lady G, I was. I hope I got a giggle out of you and not an F word. :)

[John K]

LG,

Sounds like you have a torn ACL. See I use to be a doctor but I found out tile payed better.When Kerry implements his health care plan we will have fresh new setters.. :D :D :D

[Albert]

lady g,

i wuz so sorry to here that you hava husbend. but he sounds nice. i think he takes good care of you.

too bad about your knees, it sounds panefull. but i think they will get better over time. i agree it cood be a torn acl, but your docs know best. if you want to drive him crazee say "what's up doc?" everee time you see him. then pull outa carret. might make you smile, two.

we might all pitch in and get you some kneepads for christmas. your knees will thank you.

i hope the pane goes away soon. good luckk.

albert

[LadyGodiva]

Albert, what did you do to Edna? I haven't seen her around here lately.

I'll be looking forward to those knee pads. The thing that really irritates me is that I was so looking forward to trying my hand at laying tiles :(. Even bought John's book :idea: Maybe he'll give me a refund now? :crazy:

Thanks for the wishes. Don't be sorry about the husband. We could always fix him up with Edna ;)

I had the MRI yesterday, so I'm hoping to get some results soon.

[jjwq8]

John doesn't do refunds, particularly to punters who employ his patented standing around, even when they ad-lib and lie or stagger around! None of this would have happened if you had used Schluter! :D

[Albert]

edner left me. just after i bought her some new neepads she flat wore me out and she headed out the door. watch out, she mite be lookin four yore husband.

i hope you get bettersoon.

albert

[John Bridge]

Give me a break. That book is signed by the author. You could take it out on the street in the morning at at least double your money. ;)

[LadyGodiva]

John, I just might try to auction it off on Ebay. If I get double, I'll be ordering a hundred more :D

Got the results today :(. I have to see an orthopedic surgeon :cry:

My doc said that the MRI showed that there was significant damage and tearing to the meniscus :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

No wonder I still can't walk and I'm in such pain *sigh*. I did this to myself :cry: Please feel free to kick me.

Albert, you should never keep the ladies on their knees :D

[Steven Hauser]

:cry:

Sorry Elizabeth,

The good news is the meniscal tear was able to be seen with the MRI, some tears like the peripheral menisc-capsular tear aren't seen until arthroscopic surgery is performed.

This is just general information.

I don't know how old you are, but the meniscal tears don't typically heal per se, there is not any blood flowing to it. You will have to talk to your Dr. about whether it just needs to be surgically repaired or removed.


Either way,
You'll be on crutches for several weeks and your mobility for several months may be extremely limited.

I am sorry again for this turn events for you.

[John Bridge]

Gee, thanks for that bit of good news, Steven. ;)

[flatfloor]

Reg'lar bundle of good tidings aint he. :shake: :yeah:

[Steven Hauser]

:nod:

...and it slowly dawns on the dimwit that discretion is indeed the better part of valor.

Oops :shake:

...and he skulks away to the pro forum where he belongs

[LadyGodiva]

Steven,

Thanks for your concern. It really means a lot to me especially since I was a bit annoying sometimes, and you had to pull me up by the britches :D Honestly, it felt good seeing you participating on this thread :).

The news about the crutches and lack of mobility was not a surprise. I prefer to be told what I can expect. Hey, crutches sounds a whole lot better than complete bed rest!

The appointment with the surgeon is November 4th, and for the first time in my life I cannot wait to see a surgeon! I don't often let on about how I truly feel, but this pain is wearing me down....being bedridden (doctors orders) is taking a toll on my family. My husband said he has a good idea now of what it takes to run a home!

Thanks again dear.

Eli

[Bugman]

Lady G, I understand the pain you are going through. Two years ago I tore the meniscus in my left knee helping my future son-in-law carry a Christmas tree out to the trail to get it taken back to the sales area. My knee popped and went out from under me as I began to put weight on it. Never felt such pain before or since. My Dr. put the leg in a soft cast from hip to ankle Sat night, got me an appointment with the orthopeadic surgeon (same one the Clemson football team uses) on Tuesday. The MRI showed a small tear in the meniscus. Two weeks of prednesone (spelling?), lots of ice and elevation, physical therapy and finally it more or less returned to normal. Once in a while a piece of cartilage flips the wrong way and I sound like I have Rice Krispies in my knee. The surgeon said that it wouldn't hurt to leave it for now. I strained the other knee a year ago and damaged some cartilage in it as well, but didn't have the pain like I did with the meniscus tear. Went with the prenesone treatment again, then Bextra, and now I'm getting along OK with just my daily asprin. So far, I've not had any problems tiling. I always wear my knee pads and try not to be on my knees too long at a time.

I hope you don't have to have surgery, but it's amazing what they can do these days with arthroscopic surgery.

Hang in there!!

[LadyGodiva]

Bugman, would you believe that they haven't done anything like that for me? The leg is NOT in a cast, and neither was I given any injections. The left knee sounds like it's a small tear, and the pain isn't as bad as the right knee. I have only had the right knee MRI done (nothing like living on Tulsa time) :bang: They're waiting to fix this knee first before looking at the second one. Does that make sense?? :rolleyes: Anyway, I'd like to think that I can get away with only one surgery. I doubt that the right knee would be left alone because it's pretty bad. Knowing that you understand the pain helps though...didn't it make you feel to use some good old fashioned profanity???:D

[Bugman]

Lady G.,

The soft cast made a world of difference. It prevented me from moving the knee joint at all. That made a world of difference. Ice packs on a regular basis helped a bunch too. I didn't have any injections. The prednisone was in pill form. Start with a high dose for two days and reduce it a little every other day. The series lasted for two weeks. It's not something I would want to be on for very long, but I was able to tolerate it and it really helped with the inflamation.

I probably didn't have as bad a tear as you seem to have. I couldn't believe the Dr. put me on physical therapy within a week. It started out very slowly, but increased the difficulty quite quickly. The best part was the cold pack on the knee with electrodes attached to both sides of the leg just above and below the knee. The electricity would pulse from side to side and stimulate the muscles. The idea was to adjust it to as high as you could tolerate and then increase it a little as the treatment went on. They did this at the end of the PT session.

Sorry to hear you are on an HMO. I had a chance to switch a few years back and am so thankful I didn't. I like to be able to choose my doctor and to get second opinions, etc., without having to ask permission.

I hope you get some relief real soon.

[Fant]

LG, I noticed the thread just stopped at the end of Oct. I hope things are going ok for you.

[LadyGodiva]

Thanks Fant. I'm getting there slowly, though we're having to adjust PT. Went on Monday and ended up in more pain than I had gone in with, and yesterday I could barely move around. Somehow I don't think PT is supposed to hurt that much. Does anyone know? I should have been walking by now seeing that I had surgery a month ago :bang:

I'd better stop before I use the words that John and those moderators have bleeped out the system!!!! :mad: :complain: :crap:

[John Bridge]

You can say **** all you want. :D

[Mike2]

Ah ha LG...busted.

How do you know 'bout those words bleeped out by the system. :D
I take it you've heard that beep beep sound before??!! :x:

psst....so how many are there?

[LadyGodiva]

Mike, of course I tested the system. Any rational person would try to see how the darn thing works so they could find a way around it. Duhhhhhhhhh :uhh:

[tileguytodd]

You mean like changing rhings around a bit like Ph*** ;)

My Bad :D

Dont even try it,Dave will be working overtime bleeping words he never heard of before ;)

[jjwq8]

You mean like the man who couldn't say B ?


as usual refer to Monty Python:D

[flatfloor]

Todd, rhings? Is that a Minnesota word? :D