Conspiracy

[Davestone]

No comments about the Dan Rather,obvious attempt at discrediting the President?And prople say there's a RightWing Conspiracy? :rolleyes:

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[Shaughnn]

The documents were produced by a former military officer, whom the network neglected to properly confirm before going to air. Bad journalism, but that only discredits the documents. The true issue is whether or not President Bush enjoyed the intervention by his family's influence to help him avoid Viet Nam service and whether he has lied about that intervention.
The story is worth going after. There are other credible sources which express the same doubts about President Bush's service record. The slow trickle of President Bush's dosumentation, even after two affirmations by the White House and the Pentagon that "That's all the files" (paraphrased), lends credibility to the suspicion that the administration has not been forthright.
Dan Rather and his news team made a stupid mistake in their zeal to break a story. Perhaps they were wreckless and didn't complete their factchecking because they new the White House would crush the story if it learned about it before airing time? Perhaps the documents were fed to CBS to discredit and distract from any real discussion about President Bush's National Guard service? The important thing to remember here is that CBS didn't invent these documents. And they haven't refused to identify their source (unlike that dirtbag Robert Novak).
Shaughnn :)

[Davestone]

And Sandy Burger,Clinton's security advisor admittedly stealing 911 documents from the Archives? Don't hear anything about that on Dan's news casts,probably too much truth involved. :)Yeah, well,Dan's boss urged him to run with the story.I guess it wasn't his fault :) :) :) Just like the New York Times story fabrications? Just bad journalism. :crazy:

[Steven Hauser]

naw,

It is all an innocent attempt to get the news out. There is no ill intent when the left wing nincompoops get caught with their pants down. They are on a mission of a higher purpose. The right wing bozos are always so pedantic when the media describes their shenanigans.

Yeah right, It is just a twisted circus act.

:crazy: :laugh2: :sick: :shake: :stupid2: :complain: :crap: :rolleyes:

[Shaughnn]

Sandy Berger's escapades in the national archives were exhonorated by a bi-partisan investigation. Turns out that no documents were missing after all. Just some papers that got mixed up and put away in the wrong place.
Shaughnn

[Davestone]

Shaughnn, you're killin me here,he admitted stuffing them in his pants,i guess he can't be held responsible if he's too stupid to know an important document from an unimportant one,he was only a national security advisor.How do we know no important documents were missing,he's the only one who would know. :) I guess he forgot his briefcase,and thought he'd take some unimportant papers home in his pants. :D

[Davestone]

Documents about what,his purple hearts,or his promotion to General,what special treatment did he get?Everyone knows you go in The National Guard during wartime to get out of the war :)Crush the story? You can't stop that liberal spin juggernaut, roller coaster, if you tried. :) I'll have to admit he can't compete with Kerry's service record :D If you don't think Kerry's a hero just ask him :)

[John Bridge]

I don't care much for either one of those guys, but Bush didn't bug out of anything. And at the time he would have served in Nam I wouldn't have blamed anyone if they had bugged out. A completely wasted effort. We lost too many good men there as it is.

At least Bush served in the Guard. Slick Willie didn't even do that. ;)

[Bill Vincent]

Quite honestly, I don't care what Bush OR Kerry did or didn't do 40 years ago in the military. What impresses me is what he did when push came to shove on 9/11. He proved his metal then. One other thing about Kerry that I'm surprised the Bush admin hasn't brought up. I got an email back months ago concerning a tribute to Kerry and Jane Fonda as war heroes in a war museum in Ho Chi Men City (formerly Saigon). I think I've mentioned this once or twice but really haven't said much about it because I couldn't substantiate it-- till now. I've got a customer whose husband does alot of business in France, and who, as a result of this business, has had occasion to go to Viet Nam a few times in the last ten years. Well, they showed me PICTURES of this tribute that he personally took in Nam. That in itself is enough for me. I can't even imagine what kind of leader he would have been on 9/11 (and here's a scary thought), much less GORE.

[Thomason Tile & Flooring]

Greetings,

Both sides are hitting the propaganda train hard. One of the dirtiest campaign events probably in the history of our country. According to sources at Yale, both were classmates in several areas while attending the university...perhaps this is dirty digging is just some fraternity payback? :)
I've been disturbed by the amount of unamerican comments being made by the VP and the others in recent news, including House Speaker Dennis Hastert who are making comments along the lines of 'oh if you don't re-elect us there will be another attack on this country' or "al Qaeda wants kerry to win the election", etc, etc. The scare tactics and comments like this to keep the american people living in a state of fear, and submission, is getting way out of hand. It almost could be considered treason for someone, especially in the position of the VP, to say things like that. For example, what proof or prior knowledge doesn ANYONE have to make statements like that? And if there IS proof or information regarding this, then why hasn't this information been made available to the public so that they can make a well-informed decision. I think that the Right to Know idea should come into play here, especially with all the he said she said, grudge match bs going on right now in the political arena, because really, none of them are very believable at this point.

Bill I do politely disagree with Bush proving his metal after the 9/11 tragedy. Perhaps he had the right idea to go the Afghanistan to look for bin laden, but we barely hear news of bin laden OR Afghanistan anymore, because he shifted the focus from the apparent main problem, to go try to do what his dad couldn't during Gulf War I - and had there been a vote by the people on whether to go to war with yet ANOTHER country, I seriously doubt that approval would have been given. We were presented with bad information, as has now been confirmed, and war was waged, against the will of the majority of the people, and our country is now lost a lot of credibility in the world.
Granted, a menace to the world has been removed from power, but perhaps we should have stayed focused on the main objective: to capture or kill osama bin laden, and to remove any trace of al Qaeda, and that still has not been accomplished.

Kind Regards,
Ted

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[flatfloor]

You sound just like Dan Rather. Yeah the papers are phony but the intent is the same. Please gimme a bereak

True story, I was in the Natl Guard. My obligation was for 6 years. When my first 3 year enlistment was up I decided I wanted to switch to a unit closer to home. I notified my old unit that the new one agreed to accept me and they had to forward my records they said OK. One month went buy nothing happened I called both units they both told me to just wait it's in the works. This went on for 1 year until i got tired of calling and just said I'll wait when they want me they will call. Guess what? The next time I heard from them (2 years later) it was my honorable discharge.

I think my family ties must have done it since Pop was the most senior guy in the Teamster's Union at the brewery he worked in.

[Thomason Tile & Flooring]

Sorry I missed the Dan Rather controversy, and haven't heard what happened.
:cry:

[Bill Vincent]

Sorry I missed the Dan Rather controversy, and have haven't heard what happened.
:cry:

You're kidding, right?

Both sides are hitting the propaganda train hard. One of the dirtiest campaign events probably in the history of our country.

I very much agree-- both sides should quit with the BS and get down to brass tacks.

Bill I do politely disagree with Bush proving his metal after the 9/11 tragedy. Perhaps he had the right idea to go the Afghanistan to look for bin laden, but we barely hear news of bin laden OR Afghanistan anymore, because he shifted the focus from the apparent main problem

WRONG-- the MEDIA (and very much a democratic media) shifted the focus.

and had there been a vote by the people on whether to go to war with yet ANOTHER country, I seriously doubt that approval would have been given.

There WAS a vote, and it won BIPARTISAN support-- even KERRY voted for it (then against it.....then for it....then against it.....then....:D ) from OUR elected congressional representitives and senators.

[Shaughnn]

I just get completely awestruck when you guys talk about a "liberal conspiracy". I'll just sit here quietly for a little while and let you fellahs think about the irony of such a concept. Liberals have proven consistently that they are incapable of agreeing on anything or joining together to get anything done. When compared to the lock-stepped Conservative juggernaut, the liberals are a dodgeball team minus a ball.
Where's the conspiracy???
Shaughnn

[Thomason Tile & Flooring]

Liberal conspiracy? Where?

[Bill Vincent]

I don't believe there was any conspiracy-- just a liberal television network that was so bent on discrediting Bush that they got caught with their pants down as a result of taking info from some left winger bent on the same goal, and willing to do ANYTHING to get the job done.

[alygal]

Well I don't care much about Rather or CBS...let 'em both shrivel away. Another beheading today and it looks like the British hostage is next. Not as much coverage given to that or to the situation in Russia (Beslan). Wonder just what Putin is going to do about that?

[Bill Vincent]

Funny how at the same time that's happening, Putin is starting back toward the path of dictatorship. I have a feeling it's not going to be good over there.

[tileguytodd]

And while the Country focus's on the Mud Slinging,Real Issues that are extremely important to the citizenship are left on the shelf.

Somebody needs to start asking the right questions and that doesnt include
Who Shot JR.....Politics make for a great Soap Opera.....I Hate Soap Opera's,I want to Know where these folks stand on Issues Like
Gun Control
Abortion
Foreign Policy
Social Security
Health Care
Pollution
The Budget
Corruption in Government
Crime in general
Environment
Trade
Future Goals
Population Growth
Jobs
Alternative Energy

Shall I go on??
I flat out dont give a rats A** wether Kerry did or didnt or bush did or didnt when they were 20 years old.
At 20 years old none of us new a damn thing even though we thought we did.The Mud thats being slung isnt even worth slinging.If you have to go back 30 years to come up with some Mud or Dirt on a politician,lets face it,your either not trying too hard,Its been buried so deep you'll never find it,or it just isnt there.

Lets see them answer the really hard questions,not wether or not Barney Rubble was a morally upright citizen and Fred Flintstone a degenerate.

The above means about the same to me as the soap opera,I dont really give a rip.

[Bill Vincent]

I couldn't agree more.

[Bri]

Hey Todd

Your list is the same one that every other country in the world has....go fiqure? Could it be we're all the same after all? :idea:

[Bill Vincent]

What a concept.

[Thomason Tile & Flooring]

Perhaps they should disqualify both candidates and pick 2 new people with no politcal experience, and that haven't been exposed to corporate or moral corruption, and see how things go. :)

:crazy:

[Bill Vincent]

The question then is which nursery school are they going to choose them from? EVERYONE has skeletons in the closet, I don't carfe WHO you are. I don't even want to THINK about what kinds of things would come out if I were to run for a political office, and I'm no different from anyone else. THat's why these smear campaigns-- whether they're from the left OR the right, piss me off so much. Like Clinton and Monica, everyone's so concerned with the BS, that no one's watching what's REALLY going on. Horse $hit to the whole process!! I like the movie Brewster's millions (with Richard Pryor)-- I'll vote for "None of the Above". :(

[Davestone]

Yeah,what's next, the opinions of the Fashion Police?

[flatfloor]

Jesus came upon a crowd of people engaged in stoning an adulteress to death. He quickly got between the crowd and the woman and said..." Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". A hush came over the crowd and after a few seconds one stone came whistling out of the crowd, hit the woman square in the forehead and killed her. Jesus looked up and said... "Motherrrr, I asked you not to do that!" :uhh:

[Bill Vincent]

Jim-- ya know, it's funny-- I was thinking of that same story (without the punch line) when I was typing my last post. :)

[flatfloor]

:yeah:

[jjwq8]

All elections have been hijacked by the spin doctors. It is now form over substance with the latter registering only on the nano scale.

[John Bridge]

As unpleasant as it is, it's always been that way -- at least in the U.S. In the beginning they didn't have TV and the Internet, but they had printing presses and "broadsides." A broadside is a page of newsprint or other paper printed on one side. It could be whipped out and distributed in a matter of hours. Hence the term, to launch a "broadside." They said mean and untrue things back in those days, too. :)

[tileguytodd]

So can anybody explain to me why a President has the Power of a King when dealing with foreign policy??
Ive never been able to figure that one out. :uhh:

[alygal]

Here's some interesting conspiracy theory reading:

http://www.911timeline.net/

[Steven Hauser]

Someone has to be the one to run point whilst everyone else worries whether or not their favorite TV show is on.

:rolleyes:

[Scooter]

My take on this was that Dan and his Producer were taken. I was disappointed that they fell for the forgery, if it was one, and even if it might be genuine, the focus of the news became Dan Rather, not the content of the story. He did a huge dis-service to himself, CBS, and the entire Media by running with a story that had some holes in it.

That being said, I think it is a big so what. It certainly isn't a "lie" as I define a lie, e.g., knowingly telling something that is not true. But I think we do expect more accuracy from our reporters.

I will say that Dan Rather running with a story that had some falsities did not alter the un-assailable truth than GWB got in the guard while I got drafted. He partied, was AWOL, and snorted Coke, while I was getting shot at. I find GWB's conduct morally wrong. That being said, he is not the drunken Coke snorting party guy that he was 30 years ago; and neither am I. I don't think what people did 30 years ago should affect our voting now.

I don't have to go back 30 years to find lies of GWB--we only have to go back a year or two, on the whole WMD thing. His lies cost 1,000 men and womens' lives, their dreams, and ruined 2,000 families. I have very little forgiveness in my heart for that.

[Steven Hauser]

Scooter,

I disagree with your logic trail.

There were many more things to the decision to invade.

To say your heart has no room for forgiveness is crap, you have already shown that you have a great big heart.

;)

[Bill Vincent]

we only have to go back a year or two, on the whole WMD thing. His lies cost 1,000 men and womens' lives, their dreams, and ruined 2,000 families.

HORSE $HIT. He followed bad intel? Definitely. He lied, meaning he had knowledge that there WERE no WMD'S??? There are too many indepndent sources that contrdict that. If that were true, Guaranteed-- he'd be gone by now. That's PROPAGANDA spewed forth by the liberal media BENT of getting rid of Bush, and continued on by ALL liberals. Tell me Scooter-- if this were true, and there was independent collaboration of this, do you think Bush would still be in the white house? Remember Nixon? Don't be ignorant. I'm sorry if I sound hard, but I'm sick and tired of hearing this crap. Alot of people spewing it, and no one backing it up with ANY hard facts. However, I CAN back up my claim that he was misinformed. EVEN KERRY GIVES HIM THAT!!!



One other piece of horse $hit I see on bumper stickers everywhere-- When Clinton lied, no one died. If the Clinton administration had been more involved in terrorist movement, and less worried about who Slick WIllie was slidin into, Bin Laden never would have been able to pull everything together that he needed to pull 9/11 off. I blame CLINTON PERSONALLY for that. Over 3000 people died as a result of his lies!!

Now for Alygal-- you almost had me curious-- took me about 1 1/2 hours to read thru that whole page. Very interesting reading. I had every intent of checking further and checking out all the reference material sited, and then I got to the end where it was proclaimed that now, the Bush family is even solely responsible for WWII. Sorry. I'm done.

[alygal]

LOL. I said it was interesting reading (as most conspiracy theories are), I didn't say I fell for it. I happen to be a conservative...independant but conservative nonetheless.

Back to keeping track of our politicians' youthful 'errors'.

Chappaquiddick.

I'd love to hear Rather chat with Teddy about that. :rolleyes:

[Mike2]

I’m with Shaughnn on this conspiracy thing. Liberals have proven consistently that they are incapable of agreeing on anything or joining together to get anything done.

Case in point...
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[jjwq8]

Hey.....no fair................lifting pictures from the Bush family album :tongue:

[Mike2]

I play no favorites Q8. :shake:

[flatfloor]

As Will Rogers once said" I don't belong to an organized political party, I'm a Democrat. :)

[Bill Vincent]

Back to keeping track of our politicians' youthful 'errors'.

Chappaquiddick.

I'd love to hear Rather chat with Teddy about that.

It'll never happen. Even when the lush tried to run for president. But if it were, I'd rather see Bill O'Reilly get ahold of him. :D

[sdaniels7114]

You talk about lies in one post Bill, and then venerate Bill O'Reily in another. O'Reilly lies constantly and just yells at people when he's called on them. At least Rather fessed up.

[Bill Vincent]

No, I'm not venerating Bill O'Reilly at all. He's no more than a pit bull with an agenda (to the opposite side, which is no better, just different). However, you, and I, and everyone else on this planet KNOWS that ol' Teddy should have been put in jail for what happened, and if his last name wasn't Kennedy, he would have. All I was saying was I'd love to see SOMEONE make HIM realise it, and if anyone would accomplish that, O'Reilly would.

[alygal]

Yeah well if'n ya want some more interesting reading on the matter of Teddy try this:

http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm

This makes me much more angry than silly ol' Dan Rather.

And to think Teddy's gotten away with this for years.

Ho hum, I guess there's nothing new under the sun.

[John K]

Go Bill V, go.. :yipee: :yipee: :yipee: :yipee: :yipee:


Yall got him fired up now... :)

[Bill Vincent]

I've got the book quoted there-- (Senatorial Priveledge) Excellent reading. A very well written book.

[flatfloor]

Ancient history, us old guys know all about it, right John? :bang:

[Bill Vincent]

Jim-- that's the funny (not ha ha_ thing about it-- EVERYONE knows about it, and still this fat bastard is walking free and making policy for this country-- hell, he's one of the most feared and respected politicians in Washington. What's THAT tell ya?

[John Bridge]

Well, for what it's worth, it destroyed his chance to be President of the United States, because he surely would have made it otherwise. :)

[flatfloor]

What does it say about the people who keep reelecting him?

[jjwq8]

And those who "respect" him? :sick:

[Scooter]

Did anyone see the Bill O'Reilly piece on 60 minutes?

He honestly dislikes Bush's handling of this stupid war, and called on Dumbsfeld to resign. That being said, he stated he was not per se a Kerry supporter.

[John Bridge]

Flatfloor, what's the problem? Y'all elected Hillery. :D

What is says about the people from Massechusets? Well, look at the kind of people they have up there. Cliff Claven and Norm, for crying out loud. :D

[flatfloor]

W is on the O'Rielly Factor right now.

John thems fightin words. :cry:

[Bill Vincent]

Watched it. Also watched the 60 minutes piece. Best part was when O'Reilly set Mike Wallace back on his pins, saying that he (Mike) is responsible for the O'Reilly Factor. That was a riot!! That's got to be the first time I've ever seen anyone back Mike Wallace up, and then BACK it up. :D :D :D

[flatfloor]

I enjoyed that too.