Blair to the rescue?

[LadyGodiva]

Gee guys, it seems that whenever some of your darling presidents get into hot water, they always look to merry ole England for support. Didn't George Bush tell us that we won the war? If the violence in Iraq continues (I don't see an end by the way), Bush is in serious trouble... and he seems to know it. But then again, they say things always happen for the best. Maybe this would mean he won't be in office for another four LONG years.

Remember Maggie and Ronnie? A match made in heaven..

Good old Tony is arriving on Friday they say? Which Friday? I'm assuming they're talking about the 16th. The news referred to Tony Blair as the 'Big Gun'!

"This is the man who can make all Americans swoon and whose endorsement - even if it is understood rather than overt - could well be enough to swing the campaign."

I say it's time to retire Georgie Porgie, and electr Blair... let's get back to drinking tea, eating scones and listening to Queen Elizabeth's speech once again:cool:

Eli

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[jjwq8]

You don't need to elect Blair. You can have the little pr#%k for free.

[LadyGodiva]

Trying to get rid of him JJ?:D

[jjwq8]

Yep, me and about 58 million others :D

[LadyGodiva]

Thanks, but no thanks! Mind you, he's better looking than Bush... but we have enough crosses to bear without adding another to our heavy weight JJ. Keep him!!;)

[jjwq8]

I've seen sebacious cysts that are more attractive than any politician I could name and all those I cannot. Lance all the bastards and put the World out of its misery :D

[LadyGodiva]

Ah, but somebody has to do the dirty work JJ... you won't;)

[John K]

Jeremy,

Who would you hand pick for American President?

[jjwq8]

Nobody who had declared an interest in the office.

[John Bridge]

Aha, an opportunity to present a little history in the history forum. ;)

Our early presidents did not campaign for office. They considered it beneath them and instead allowed their associates to duke it out in their behalf. They also proclaimed at every opportunity that the office was a burden that was being placed upon them by the people, and that they would look forward to the day when the burden would pass and they could return to the tranquility of private life.

How things have changed in a couple hundred years, eh?

;)

[jjwq8]

In modern terms, how many of those upstanding folk left office considerably richer than when they entered?

i.e. how many profited from their position?

[John Bridge]

Actually, none. All the early presidents and vice presidents had attained what they often referred to as a state of "leisure." The pay was lousy, and they didn't need it. In fact, is was customary for a president to spend his own money on certain items.

[LadyGodiva]

So John, should we make these guys pay for their stuff from now on? I heard that George Bush and family have a lot of oil rights in the Middle East..

Come to think of it... they've got a lot going in Texas too.

I wonder if the British PMs leave office with more dinero than when they went in...

JJ???

[jjwq8]

I could not say but I can guarantee that every voter in the country is absolutely less well off than before the bastards started :noid:

[John Bridge]

I don't think anyone in this country owns oil "rights" in the Middle-East. Bush is into the oil business in this country, though. His big leap occurred when he sold his interest in the Texas Rangers baseball team for 12 mil a few years back.

I daresay everyone who enters Congress these days improves his financial standing by doing so. Bush will of course do well, but after he leaves office. :)

Yes, I think we should make all the sorry bastards pay their own way. ;)

[LadyGodiva]

I guess Tony wants to get some free miles:D

I really don't see what this visit is going to accomplish. I wonder if he plans to go along with everything Georgie porgie is planning? Well, that's assuming George has the capacity to plan anything:rolleyes:

Unfortunately, some Americans seem to like Tony so maybe this will boost George's re-election campaign? Hope not!

[jjwq8]

If candidates were forced to pay their own way it then invites a different type of pirate to the table.

Jeez, just listen to me, never satisfied :D

[LadyGodiva]

I can't remember the last time I saw my president looking so happy! Wow!

Big brother to the rescue...

[jjwq8]

If they are that chuffed with one another then you can bet your bippy somebody else is in deep deep trouble, and chances are it is their respective electorates.

[John K]

Hey look!

Its Jeremys new dartboard..:D :D :D

[jjwq8]

Yep yep yep

Never met a politician I couldn't disparage

[LadyGodiva]

I still can't get over that pic of George! I'm telling you, he seems to be saying...

"How do you spell relief"?? :D

Tony Blair ;)

[jjwq8]

Maalox is cheaper.

DOH

What am I saying?


Nothing is cheaper than Tony Blair.

Hey guys.

New use for your excess thinset. Add plenty plasticiser and address it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave or Crawford, with a note that it is more effecacious than Maalox.

[branty1uk]

If you knew where Tony's left hand was you would understand Georges smile.
Going back to America's early presidents wernt all of them born in th UK (or Great Britain as it was called then) ?.:D

[jjwq8]

INCOMING!

[smee]

If I didn't think there was some irony involved there branty.....

Hey John - is it true that George W - the first George that is -refused the presidency more than once? For many reasons did he not look on it with something akin to dread?

Seems if we actually taught history in this country - if it hasn't been removed from schools by now - that perhaps we should learn long and hard about what exactly our early leaders were trying to do here. I'm sure to a man, they would be ready to go to war against our 'king georgie porgie' - and tony baloney too!

...as it were, there's that irony thing again.

Seems to me it isn't about Bush at all, or Tony Blair or John Kerry or any other politician. The problem I think is beyond them. They are a temporary distraction. The system of government, the system of law, the system of education and journalism - perhaps we should think about that a bit more - a far greater, more complicated problem than anyone can fathom.

'We' have to compartmentalize it down to a man to get around the complexities. The idea that George Bush ( insert any name) is responsible is ridiculous. (and I'm not saying he doesn't carry the burden of responsibility) what I'm saying is, all we do is focus on him, or focus on who's next in line to screw up. We see what we think is wrong or don't like and hope that the next guy - the opposing party will make it right. Okay, put Kerry (insert any name) in there and what's going to happen? Tah dah!, the same damn thing! How in the world can we be so naive as to think it not so? Yet, we spend SO much energy on that.

[branty1uk]

Jeremiah 10:23 it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step

[John Bridge]

None of the U.S. presidents was/is foreign born. It's against our constitution. Presidents can't even be naturalized citizens. They must be born in the U.S. The first George was born in Virginia. :)

John Adams -- Massachusetts

Th. Jefferson -- Virginia

James Madison -- Virginia

James Monroe -- Virginia

Linda,

Washington made great public displays about his reluctance to serve. He called the presidency a horrendous burden. But somehow he managed to serve eight years. I find it hard to believe that a man (or woman) would not want to be president of the United States. I personally think Washington relished the job, all the time bitching about it in public. ;)

[jjwq8]

Historically speaking John, the guys you named were each naturalized insofar as they were British Citizens at Birth :D

[Mike Nelson]

How funny it is that this is a liberal forum, I would think that a forum devoted to business people would be on the right side of the isle. I guess you guys don't know how your breads buttered. And in England I guess you won't figure that one out. And since when does the UNITED STATES need england for anything, if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking german now. Smee's right about one thing though, no matter who's in there, you won't be happy, cause some people just like to complain. This is the best country in the world no matter who's running the show, even that crook and coward Bill Rodham, I mean Clinton. Gaurentee you he's got more money than before he became the boss, and gee I wonder how he got it.

[branty1uk]

Liberal = open minded not prejudiced, for general broadening of the mind.
We are sharing our opinions Mike its called freedom of speach, you must have heard of it. A grown up discusion.

What I read about the first US presidents was that they all had English accents, apparently they were all educated in England.
Im not trying to make any point, just a historical discussion, which is what this forum is devoted too is'nt it?

[jjwq8]

Mike,
your post does you a great disservice.
your statements appear to intended to be of a personal nature, bearing in mind that this thread is tongue-in-cheek and not intended to offend.
you have however chosen, completely without warrant, to demean all liberals in general and Brits in particular.
Please take a very deep breath and try again.
If you cannot abide the opinions expressed in these particular threads then perhaps you would be better served by avoiding them. :D

I would however be keen to hear your opinions on this one point. You seem to be saying that the self employed must by definition be conservative, the corollary being that those not self employed are liberal. How are the unemployed to be classified? :D

[LadyGodiva]

Liberals have more fun:D

[LadyGodiva]

Originally posted by Mike Nelson
How funny it is that this is a liberal forum, I would think that a forum devoted to business people would be on the right side of the isle. I guess you guys don't know how your breads buttered. And in England I guess you won't figure that one out. And since when does the UNITED STATES need england for anything, if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking german now. Smee's right about one thing though, no matter who's in there, you won't be happy, cause some people just like to complain. This is the best country in the world no matter who's running the show, even that crook and coward Bill Rodham, I mean Clinton. Gaurentee you he's got more money than before he became the boss, and gee I wonder how he got it.


The US doesn't need England for anything? Hmmm...so Tony Blair was just over here on a holiday right? Also, why did Georgie Porgie look so darn pleased in that shot? I say he needs Britain a whole lot, and even more, Georgie needs to have big brother Tony's blessings in all that he does! So there:D

Bill Clinton was a great president...his wife would make an even better one! ;)

[branty1uk]

As for us all speaking German in the UK without the help of the USA, that may well be the case, but Hitler wanted the UK not as a nice place for a holiday but as a base to invade the USA, so if he'd had his way we would all be speaking German. yah!

[LadyGodiva]

Who cares what plans Hitler had for England? The fact of the matter is that he was stopped!

Now please be nice to your Queen folks :D

[John Bridge]

Hi Mike,

Been a while. Good to see you. Please don't misunderstand the bent of the forums. They are here for everyone, and everyone is encouraged to speak his/her mind. Please don't take it personally. I love this country just as much as you do, and I count myself a conservative. Just don't happen to have anything good to say about Dubya. That's all. ;)

You're right Jeremy, except these particular Brit citizens were not afforded representation in parliament. I guess that would make them sort of second-class citizens, what? :)

As to the accents of the early Americans, it's conjecture, but we can discern from their writing style that they probably spoke a dialect very close to that of their cousins across the Atlantic, and it's easy to surmise that they would sound like "Englishmen." What separated them from English Englismen, though, was the use of certain words and phrases that were only used over here. Most of this unique jargon was derived from the various Indain languages.

I think we can safely say that Thomas Jefferson et al did not cotton to the terms "fixin" and "y'all." :D

Finally, there was no way we could have remained out of the war in Europe. And it's not as though we just went over to bail Britain and France out. As Branty stated, had Hitler succeeded, it would have been a much different country over here. Had we allowed England to fall, Russia would have fallen. And then had we given the Hun time to repair and regroup, he would have been on us.

I do like to think we helped England save herself, though. Took a hell of a pounding she did. :)

[jjwq8]

Nicely put John and now you're getting the picture, for founding fathers read Palestinians and maybe, just maybe a few more of you will get the picture :D

[Steven Hauser]

Jeremy,

What says you about Palestinians? Read what? How to build a retirement villa in Tunisia?

[jjwq8]

OK
instead of Founding Fathers, read Palestinians :D

[branty1uk]

She sure did take a pounding John, I live in London right by the docks on the river Thames and right next to one of the oldest army barracks in the world, so you can imagine this part of London was in a real bad way after the blizt, my grandparents had some tales to tell.

[John K]

Mike Nelson,

Come on in and bring your boots.:D There are some left leaning individuals in here, but its fun to listen to them talk and read their somewhat twisted thought process.:D

I think a business forum would be a great thing to have here in addition to History forum and such..;)

LG,

" Clinton was a great president". You need to stop huffing paint. Scientific studies say that it kills brain cells..:D

[jjwq8]

John,

Be afeared of what you wish for:D

Also note the title of this thread. In US political terms, TB is so far left he is off the scale, and despite this, Dubya (not famed for his liberal tendencies) considers him a close persoanl friend, confidante and advisor on certain issues. Go figure.

[John K]

Jeremy,

Does George really consider Blair a close friend or his he just giving lip service because Blair is on the same page with the Iraq situation? Bush probably cusses him behind the scenes..:)

[jjwq8]

If that is so, then Dubya and I have more in common than is good for me :D

[LadyGodiva]

Originally posted by John K
Mike Nelson,

Come on in and bring your boots.:D There are some left leaning individuals in here, but its fun to listen to them talk and read their somewhat twisted thought process.:D

I think a business forum would be a great thing to have here in addition to History forum and such..;)

LG,

" Clinton was a great president". You need to stop huffing paint. Scientific studies say that it kills brain cells..:D


Huffing is great...it helps me deal with the present administration and the mess they're making of people's lives in Iraq... oh, left leaning is awesome, try it sometime ;).

[Mike Nelson]

Jeremy better thank his lucky stars that he lives in a country that allows him to spout his tongue in cheek crud. You liberals just keep thinking good thoughts they always seem to cure what ills. Lets face it folks if it were up to Clinton or your new favorite of the month Kerry, Al-Quida would be free to roam and the twin towers would have just been a starting point. Cause liberals are gutless. Oh and I say that with tongue in cheek.

[Mike Nelson]

Lady Godiva better quit huffing cause its sounding like your're down to a few brain cells. The crazy people in Iraq are better off now than when your buddy Saddam was ruling. Anybody doesn't agree with that and they just want to argue for the sake of it.

[jjwq8]

Thank you Mike for your insight.

I note you elected not to answer my enquiry.

You may also elect to check where I live.

Finally I suggest you elect to question the Iraqis first hand before answering on their behalf.

[John Bridge]

I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is the very type of exchange we wish to avoid. It has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with personalities.

Let's please back off and express our thoughts without all the name calling. :)

[jjwq8]

Having mulled over this thread for a day I can but assume that certain of the responses are cries of anguish resulting from the realisation that whilst what you are reading so goes against the grain of that which you have held sacred for so long, on a subliminal level there is a growing realisation that you have been praying to a false God. :D

[LadyGodiva]

Originally posted by Mike Nelson
Lady Godiva better quit huffing cause its sounding like your're down to a few brain cells. The crazy people in Iraq are better off now than when your buddy Saddam was ruling. Anybody doesn't agree with that and they just want to argue for the sake of it.


My dear, it's very easy to believe that the people in Iraq are better off now for the invasion of their country... we're on this side of the world. I wonder all the time about the women and children... are they really better off now than when Saddam was in power?

Are we better off now that George is our leader? I don't think so. And as I remember from my naturalisation ceremony, I have the RIGHT to express my opinion.... however silly it might appear to some. God I love this country!:D